Why Thousands Of Men Like JPMorgan CEO Jamie Dimon Are Getting Throat Cancer
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I know someone who got throat cancer from HPV actually. Led to fun accusations while hysterically crying from his daughter about how I could have potentially given it to her and she could die as a result years later blah blah.
The article is lousy and is meant to garner interest without much substance. But the underlying subject is real and the article does not oversell it.
The fact that certain strains of HPV can cause oropharyngeal cancer ("throat" cancer here) is about as solid as you can get in medicine. The fact that this has taken some time to be known to the non-medical community is due to the obvious subtext as an STD, and the inherent politically correct attitude of medicine.
This has been discussed here before.
HPV and head and neck cancer in men
"Stick it. Don't lick it."
The fact that certain strains of HPV can cause oropharyngeal cancer ("throat" cancer here) is about as solid as you can get in medicine. The fact that this has taken some time to be known to the non-medical community is due to the obvious subtext as an STD, and the inherent politically correct attitude of medicine.
This has been discussed here before.
HPV and head and neck cancer in men
"Stick it. Don't lick it."
You got to eat the pussy. Can't live without the shit
TLDR; 50% of the rooshvforum are fucked
People like what they like sexually. Some guys eat pussy. Some don't. That I get. What I don't get is this mentality that somehow making women cum hard or caring the least bit about their pleasure is somehow not , for lack of a better term, alpha. Maybe it's just another intrinsic preference like anything else.
You spend X # of hours in the gym, you cultivate yourself and your game, and all of the other inane and time consuming shit you do to demonstrate high value. And then when you're finally naked with a beautiful woman, you can't be bothered to spend 15 minutes to make her cum her brains out?
Is it really manly to be unspectacular/disinterested in your sexual performance or is it just a cop out to say that you don't care and it's not important or is it something else? I'm not that competitive generally speaking, but in between the sheets I'm trying to break world records and make life difficult for anyone that has to follow me.
You spend X # of hours in the gym, you cultivate yourself and your game, and all of the other inane and time consuming shit you do to demonstrate high value. And then when you're finally naked with a beautiful woman, you can't be bothered to spend 15 minutes to make her cum her brains out?
Is it really manly to be unspectacular/disinterested in your sexual performance or is it just a cop out to say that you don't care and it's not important or is it something else? I'm not that competitive generally speaking, but in between the sheets I'm trying to break world records and make life difficult for anyone that has to follow me.
SheriffBart said:
It's a preference, definitely. However, there is definitely something sexy about a girl in the throes of passion, completely overwhelmed by the orgasm sweeping through her body.
There are very few things I find hotter than an attractive girl writhing in pleasure due to what I'm doing to her and the orgasms I'm giving her.
It's definitely a risk, but you can also make sure your girl is tested and is at a very low risk of contracting it in the first place through her choices/behaviour. I'm against a lot of guys in this regard, just like I am about my fastidious condom usage despite girls I've dated having been on birth control.
SheriffBart said:
I get where you're coming from. You basically look at yourself as a skilled craftsman when it comes to sex. You want the work to reflect well on you and you take pride in doing a good job.
The trouble with this attitude is when taken too far it basically reduces the man to a walking dildo/vibrator. It's just another way of putting women on a pedestal, in this case by measuring the success of your sexual encounter by the amount of pleasure you give her. That is not alpha. It's beta supplication behavior. It's essentially coming from a scarcity and fear mentality: the idea that if you don't fuck her like a porn star every time, she's going to wander off and find a guy who does.
The actual alpha way to approach sex is to simply maximize your personal pleasure and not even care about hers at all. Of course, this requires actually maintaining an alpha frame 24/7 and not just jackhammering a girl in bed and assuming that gives you "alpha" status. So it's the difference of living as an alpha versus trying to be alpha in the bedroom with porn star behavior.
To be honest I can't really fault guys for falling into this trap. I used to think that way myself for a long time, and the reality is that pleasuring a woman well is pretty much never going to hurt you. The danger is just in overemphasizing that and losing sight of the necessity of maintaining your alpha behavior outside the bedroom, which is ultimately far more important than bedroom skills.
So basically, if porn star sex is your hobby, then by all means continue. But defining that as alpha behavior is off the mark.
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You're making assumptions that are not necessarily warranted. Sure, I'm proud of my abilities in bed, and I take pleasure in giving girls an incredible sexual experience. That's the point: I take pleasure in doing that. In bed I take charge completely, I do what I want, generally no words are spoken (except her moaning and screaming) unless I'm instructing her in something new, and at the end we're both well satisfied.
Giving a girl an amazing time in bed isn't work for me. It doesn't take a bunch of planning beforehand or analysis during. It just flows naturally, except when I'm dealing with a girl who's damaged from other guys who were clueless or who is a virgin/inexperienced and needs instruction and guidance.
My approach to sex has nothing to do with putting a girl on a pedestal or having a scarcity mentality. She's there for my pleasure, but it greatly enhances my pleasure when she's screaming for more and eagerly slurping cum from my cock because I gave her a few mind shattering orgasms. I love learning a new girl's body, figuring out what can turn her on like flipping a switch, and being able to play her like an instrument. What's more enjoyable, sex like that or just bending a girl over the couch arm, banging her until you come, and getting a beer without a word? Sure, that sort of caveman quickie is fine occasionally, but they're rare in my world. Most of my quickies have been after I already fucked her long and hard, took a shower, and then was still horny so I threw her back down for a bit more.
You're making assumptions that are not necessarily warranted. Sure, I'm proud of my abilities in bed, and I take pleasure in giving girls an incredible sexual experience. That's the point: I take pleasure in doing that. In bed I take charge completely, I do what I want, generally no words are spoken (except her moaning and screaming) unless I'm instructing her in something new, and at the end we're both well satisfied.
Giving a girl an amazing time in bed isn't work for me. It doesn't take a bunch of planning beforehand or analysis during. It just flows naturally, except when I'm dealing with a girl who's damaged from other guys who were clueless or who is a virgin/inexperienced and needs instruction and guidance.
My approach to sex has nothing to do with putting a girl on a pedestal or having a scarcity mentality. She's there for my pleasure, but it greatly enhances my pleasure when she's screaming for more and eagerly slurping cum from my cock because I gave her a few mind shattering orgasms. I love learning a new girl's body, figuring out what can turn her on like flipping a switch, and being able to play her like an instrument. What's more enjoyable, sex like that or just bending a girl over the couch arm, banging her until you come, and getting a beer without a word? Sure, that sort of caveman quickie is fine occasionally, but they're rare in my world. Most of my quickies have been after I already fucked her long and hard, took a shower, and then was still horny so I threw her back down for a bit more.
If you're remotely defensive because of what I said you're just proving my point. It's because you're fundamentally insecure about sex (scarcity mentality, pedestalization), which is why you're placing so much effort onto your performance. Either that or you're just sex-crazed. Neither really meets the definition of alpha, which was the point I was disputing in my post.
If you're really fucking girls that way because that's what you like, then why do you care what I think? Doing what you want only because YOU want to - that is alpha behavior. I was simply pointing out that most guys who obsess about their sexual performance are doing so for the wrong reasons, and using the male hamster to justify it as being something they like.
This idea that giving chicks amazing orgasms and porn star sex is 1) alpha and/or 2) the best way to make them stick around is just completely erroneous. Way too many guys today, even supposedly red pill guys like to spout this myth, and it's very harmful. I think it is one source of performance anxiety and ED (along with porn), and generally makes guys not really understand the dynamics of sex and attraction. Sex is not a mechanical process by which you seek to achieve an ideal amount of friction between penis and vagina. It's much more of a psychological thing. The emphasis on porn star sex gives guys the idea that they just have to master a few moves in bed and they can become alpha and have women wrapped around their fingers. It's bogus.
The amount satisfaction a woman receives from having sex with you has much more to do with how you behave outside of bed than how you behave in it. If any man rejects this fact or doesn't understand it, he still has much to learn about women. A fixation on porn star sex is a strong indicator that this idea hasn't been internalized and isn't being acted on. For a man who understand this fact, engaging in regular porn star sex makes about as much sense as driving across town and taking your girl to a fancy restaurant every week. It's needless overkill and a hassle. The male hamster will tell you that you're only doing it because you can afford it or because you enjoy fine dining. For a small percentage of guys, maybe that would be true. But most would be deluding themselves. It's the same way with porn star sex - it's something guys do because they think it makes them more desirable to women. But porn star sex is subject to the exact same paradox that underlies all interaction with women - the more you do for them, the less they appreciate you. In this manner your self-perceived alpha porn star sex can actually end up working against you as the woman begins to feel entitled to an orgasm every time she's with you, and begins to regard you as a sexual plaything rather than as her man. You become a performer trying to live up to her expectations rather than a man simply taking from your woman what you're entitled to.
If you're really fucking girls that way because that's what you like, then why do you care what I think? Doing what you want only because YOU want to - that is alpha behavior. I was simply pointing out that most guys who obsess about their sexual performance are doing so for the wrong reasons, and using the male hamster to justify it as being something they like.
This idea that giving chicks amazing orgasms and porn star sex is 1) alpha and/or 2) the best way to make them stick around is just completely erroneous. Way too many guys today, even supposedly red pill guys like to spout this myth, and it's very harmful. I think it is one source of performance anxiety and ED (along with porn), and generally makes guys not really understand the dynamics of sex and attraction. Sex is not a mechanical process by which you seek to achieve an ideal amount of friction between penis and vagina. It's much more of a psychological thing. The emphasis on porn star sex gives guys the idea that they just have to master a few moves in bed and they can become alpha and have women wrapped around their fingers. It's bogus.
The amount satisfaction a woman receives from having sex with you has much more to do with how you behave outside of bed than how you behave in it. If any man rejects this fact or doesn't understand it, he still has much to learn about women. A fixation on porn star sex is a strong indicator that this idea hasn't been internalized and isn't being acted on. For a man who understand this fact, engaging in regular porn star sex makes about as much sense as driving across town and taking your girl to a fancy restaurant every week. It's needless overkill and a hassle. The male hamster will tell you that you're only doing it because you can afford it or because you enjoy fine dining. For a small percentage of guys, maybe that would be true. But most would be deluding themselves. It's the same way with porn star sex - it's something guys do because they think it makes them more desirable to women. But porn star sex is subject to the exact same paradox that underlies all interaction with women - the more you do for them, the less they appreciate you. In this manner your self-perceived alpha porn star sex can actually end up working against you as the woman begins to feel entitled to an orgasm every time she's with you, and begins to regard you as a sexual plaything rather than as her man. You become a performer trying to live up to her expectations rather than a man simply taking from your woman what you're entitled to.
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Damn, the Scorpulus has been on a roll lately...post after post of mortar rounds landing right on target.
Motivate me...
Damn, the Scorpulus has been on a roll lately...post after post of mortar rounds landing right on target.
Motivate me...
I see. So disagreeing with you and actually saying something about it means you're right? 
Achievement unlocked: you have successfully argued like a woman. Explaining why I do something on the internet is not the same as being defensive. Oh noes, scorpion thinks I'm a beta! Better rebut! No, this forum is a place for discussion and I was simply saying I thought you were taking your conclusions too far in a post you didn't even direct at me.
That is why I responded at all. Giving her pleasure is part of maximizing my pleasure was the whole freaking point of my post. I was simply saying that the two concepts are not mutually exclusive and caring about giving her pleasure doesn't have to stem from a scarcity mentality or pedestalization.
Incidentally: there is no One True Alpha Way as you are suggesting.
You keep latching onto this idea that I'm doing it to keep chicks around. What? Point me to where, exactly, in my post I said that? You won't find any such sentiment in any post I've made on the entire forum. Perhaps you're confusing me with someone else? I know full well that what happens outside the bedroom is much more important and I never claimed otherwise. My last girlfriend during my blue pill period (2005-2012) left me despite rocking her world in bed because I left my frame for hers and she hated it. You do not need to lecture me, I learned that lesson well, thanks.
The thing is I don't even disagree with what you're saying, and we're largely talking past each other. I just think it's foolishly simplistic to say if you care about giving a girl pleasure, you're a beta simp who is trying to lock her down like she's the last piece of pussy on earth.
Also, reading comprehension fail here:
How did you get that from this?
So, saying it's not work and at this point it just comes naturally is equivalent to trying really hard and being insecure, I guess. I'm so insecure and worried about sex that in thousands of sexual encounters I've never once even wondered if the girl had an orgasm, let alone asked. Your world is confusing. What color is the sky there?
Better adjust fire on those mortars.
Achievement unlocked: you have successfully argued like a woman. Explaining why I do something on the internet is not the same as being defensive. Oh noes, scorpion thinks I'm a beta! Better rebut! No, this forum is a place for discussion and I was simply saying I thought you were taking your conclusions too far in a post you didn't even direct at me.That is why I responded at all. Giving her pleasure is part of maximizing my pleasure was the whole freaking point of my post. I was simply saying that the two concepts are not mutually exclusive and caring about giving her pleasure doesn't have to stem from a scarcity mentality or pedestalization.
Incidentally: there is no One True Alpha Way as you are suggesting.
You keep latching onto this idea that I'm doing it to keep chicks around. What? Point me to where, exactly, in my post I said that? You won't find any such sentiment in any post I've made on the entire forum. Perhaps you're confusing me with someone else? I know full well that what happens outside the bedroom is much more important and I never claimed otherwise. My last girlfriend during my blue pill period (2005-2012) left me despite rocking her world in bed because I left my frame for hers and she hated it. You do not need to lecture me, I learned that lesson well, thanks.
The thing is I don't even disagree with what you're saying, and we're largely talking past each other. I just think it's foolishly simplistic to say if you care about giving a girl pleasure, you're a beta simp who is trying to lock her down like she's the last piece of pussy on earth.
Also, reading comprehension fail here:
How did you get that from this?
So, saying it's not work and at this point it just comes naturally is equivalent to trying really hard and being insecure, I guess. I'm so insecure and worried about sex that in thousands of sexual encounters I've never once even wondered if the girl had an orgasm, let alone asked. Your world is confusing. What color is the sky there?
Better adjust fire on those mortars.
I'm not arguing with you, or attempting to prove you wrong. This is not a competition. I was writing for the benefit of people reading the thread who might be trapped in the mindset of feeling like they need to engage in regular porn star sex to keep a woman locked down. The post wasn't meant to be a personal attack on you. I specifically said that you should do whatever you want if that's what you like to do. Your passive aggressive tone is unwarranted and unbecoming.
Anyway, I agree there is no purpose talking past each other. I've said all I care to say on the issue and have no interest in going back and forth with you just because you took my post personally.
Anyway, I agree there is no purpose talking past each other. I've said all I care to say on the issue and have no interest in going back and forth with you just because you took my post personally.
Perhaps I overreacted with fairly extreme sarcasm, but the way I read your post you were engaging in intellectually dishonest arguments and putting words in my mouth, which is pretty irritating. I think we both made our points, anyway, so mission accomplished.
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Good day, bud.
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Good day, bud.
Courage Reborn said:
No, it means nothing of the sort.
The risk of developing this kind of cancer is minuscule:
That's less than ten thousand cases a year, out of the tens of millions of American dudes sampling their sweethearts' quims every day a week and twice on Sundays. Which makes it a risk of way under 1/1,000 per year, for those following at home.
Just because there is a "risk" of something happening does not mean it will happen to you. Some risks are exceedingly small. Look at the numbers before getting all bent out of shape.
Everyone can relax and go back to munching on some pungent tuna of more or less dubious quality...
EDIT: by the way, my personal view on this is pretty much the same as my view on raw fish -- only worth it if extremely fresh and of the highest quality. But no one should worry about these quite rare cancers.
There's a 0.91% lifetime risk of developing HPV-caused head/neck cancer. 99% of men won't get it. I'm sure if you subtract out gay men,
your risk as a straight dude is even lower.
I'd say if you don't eat out sluts, you'll be fine.
Or if you do eat out sluts, use some protection.
your risk as a straight dude is even lower.
I'd say if you don't eat out sluts, you'll be fine.
Or if you do eat out sluts, use some protection.
While not caring about a woman's pleasure might be a bridge too far for me, I certainly agree wholeheartedly with Scorpion's thesis regarding frame outside the bedroom. Creating the right context for your actions is the key. I've always liked making girls cum. In my earlier, stupid days it was more supplicating and screaming for approval. These days it's much more about me being dominant and aggressive in the
bedroom and doing whatever I please with her body.
Another thing to consider is that some girls go up many notches in their sexuality and reciprocity when they cum. Orgasmic synergy is real. Can you get the best out of a girl with just strong frame? Yes, but it helps to have more than one card to play.
bedroom and doing whatever I please with her body.
Another thing to consider is that some girls go up many notches in their sexuality and reciprocity when they cum. Orgasmic synergy is real. Can you get the best out of a girl with just strong frame? Yes, but it helps to have more than one card to play.
I think if a girl is orgasming regularly, she's more likely to value her relationship with you.
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My returning ROK article will deal with this topic. It will cut.
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