Will Gay Marriage in the USA effect Game?

[MikeCF]

Asking if someone has personal experience is not an attack on the person.

Wow, is that all you're asking? Then the answer is yes, I have personal experience of San Francisco.

Isn't that something you could have asked in a personal message first, before launching into public attack and shame mode?

And I'm not sure how rushing to discount and silence all opinions other than your own helps the forum any.

You are the guy who said, "They have their little two block area in the Castro area of San Francisco."

I may sound like a dick, but that's just false. It's either a lie or you don't know what you're talking about.

I didn't attack you personally. I cited specific examples showing that gays are a lot more than 2 blocks.

See, that's the problem. Guys who just don't know chime in, and then get offended when they are told they don't know.

You'll never see me say shit about gaming in Poland, because I've never been.

If a guy is saying, "They have their little two block area in the Castro area of San Francisco," then it's a fact - not an opinion - that he doesn't know what he's talking about.

I don't eve care if people hate guys. If you lived in Castro around gays, and hate them, fine. That's in informed opinion.

But if you come in here with homophobic bullshit that isn't based on the reality of living in SF or hanging out with gay guys, yeah, I'm going to correct it.

Why?

Because most straight dudes who are cool can be helped like crazy by gay SF guys.

If you go in an SF gay friendly bar with the right attitude, then the gays will be the biggest cock helpers of all time.

If you go in with the attitude that, "They have their little two block area in the Castro area of San Francisco," and hate all straight guys, you're gonna miss out.

I'd rather have guys not miss out.

 

[Timoteo]

Asking if someone has personal experience is not an attack on the person.

Wow, is that all you're asking? Then the answer is yes, I have personal experience of San Francisco.

Isn't that something you could have asked in a personal message first, before launching into public attack and shame mode?

And I'm not sure how rushing to discount and silence all opinions other than your own helps the forum any.

You are the guy who said, "They have their little two block area in the Castro area of San Francisco."

I may sound like a dick, but that's just false. It's either a lie or you don't know what you're talking about.

I didn't attack you personally. I cited specific examples showing that gays are a lot more than 2 blocks.

See, that's the problem. Guys who just don't know chime in, and then get offended when they are told they don't know.

You'll never see me say shit about gaming in Poland, because I've never been.

If a guy is saying, "They have their little two block area in the Castro area of San Francisco," then it's a fact - not an opinion - that he doesn't know what he's talking about.

I don't eve care if people hate guys. If you lived in Castro around gays, and hate them, fine. That's in informed opinion.

But if you come in here with homophobic bullshit that isn't based on the reality of living in SF or hanging out with gay guys, yeah, I'm going to correct it.

Why?

Because most straight dudes who are cool can be helped like crazy by gay SF guys.

If you go in an SF gay friendly bar with the right attitude, then the gays will be the biggest cock helpers of all time.

If you go in with the attitude that, "They have their little two block area in the Castro area of San Francisco," and hate all straight guys, you're gonna miss out.

I'd rather have guys not miss out.

The problem was the tone of your response. It WAS hostile. You assume others had no personal experience, then you yourself came off like the "expert." Also, who are you to demand others qualify themselves to you? I can't verify how many gay guys you know, nor can you verify anything that I might write. And I don't see how your particular circle speaks for all gays nationwide. That was the problem with your response. Nothing I wrote was homophobic, nor did I state that rights should be denied anyone. I merely stated from my own life and observations what I thought. That's all. Everyone's experiences are different, thus shaping each individual's opinion.

 

[Basil Ransom]

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[Stun]

Asking if someone has personal experience is not an attack on the person.

Wow, is that all you're asking? Then the answer is yes, I have personal experience of San Francisco.

Isn't that something you could have asked in a personal message first, before launching into public attack and shame mode?

And I'm not sure how rushing to discount and silence all opinions other than your own helps the forum any.

You are the guy who said, "They have their little two block area in the Castro area of San Francisco."

I may sound like a dick, but that's just false. It's either a lie or you don't know what you're talking about.

I didn't attack you personally. I cited specific examples showing that gays are a lot more than 2 blocks.

See, that's the problem. Guys who just don't know chime in, and then get offended when they are told they don't know.

You'll never see me say shit about gaming in Poland, because I've never been.

If a guy is saying, "They have their little two block area in the Castro area of San Francisco," then it's a fact - not an opinion - that he doesn't know what he's talking about.

I don't eve care if people hate guys. If you lived in Castro around gays, and hate them, fine. That's in informed opinion.

But if you come in here with homophobic bullshit that isn't based on the reality of living in SF or hanging out with gay guys, yeah, I'm going to correct it.

Why?

Because most straight dudes who are cool can be helped like crazy by gay SF guys.

If you go in an SF gay friendly bar with the right attitude, then the gays will be the biggest cock helpers of all time.

If you go in with the attitude that, "They have their little two block area in the Castro area of San Francisco," and hate all straight guys, you're gonna miss out.

I'd rather have guys not miss out.

Okay mike, how long did you live in SF?

You and blackhawk are both framing your descriptions of the city based on your own personal experiences, but he has done a much better job of describing of the general structure of the gay community in the city.

If you are in the top 10% of guys, then you understand that you are going to get hit on by gay guys anywhere, not just here in SF.

Look it's true like you say, that there are gay guys everywhere here - but the gay culture only permeates really strongly in the castro. Every other neighborhood is essentially a straight neighborhood with gay people living in it. You could argue that some parts of Soma like say 9th and folsom area are close to the castro in "gayness" but even there it's still a mainly straight area with a lot of gay bars, and some freaky leather shit.

Also, the comment that gay guys here will help you out if you just approach them with the right attitude is mainly bullshit. Gay guys and lesbians LIVE to cockblock and maybe you will get some help from them some of the time - **but most gay guys are too self-obsessed and wrapped up in their own bullshit/drug habits/sucking the next guy's cock to give a shit about you and your straight ass getting laid.**

I have lived in SF since 2007, go out 4+ times a week, know tons of people, and I feel like I have a pretty fuckin good social understanding of the city..

-Sugar

 

[kosko]

Gay marriage has little to no effect on game. One must look at the preceding factor tho... That Gay people in positions of influence and power effect game negatively!! They run the same agenda as feminists as both movements piggyback of each other. America still has a long way to go but when you have a over tolerant group with Gays and feminists in key positions of influence and power you get.... Ummm errrrr. Toronto. Lol.

Toronto vs SF. Toronto scene is not isolated and is very much part of the "normal evreyday Toronto" Gay people live in the affluent trendy areas and go to strait bars. America is a long ways from this, even places like Atlanta and SF seem more insular from posts in here then I assumed.

Call me a biggot but I believe gay couples if they want marriage should be double taxed as they require more resources from the state with no returns on those resources (children and the growth of the workforce and taxbase and the passing on of wealth and assets). Technology and the State only make Gay marrige viable, in a natural world removed from those protections it would not be viable. That's my biggot rant for the week. If you didn't like it. Well ya no apologies. Cheers. Lol.

 

[Blackhawk]

"They have their little two block area in the Castro area of San Francisco," which I think you repeat a ridiculous 5 times in this thread, is completely accurate and talking about the Castro business district, which extends on Castro from 17th street to the Castro Day Spa on 19th, after which it goes residential. I walked it this weekend to confirm that I wasn't inaccurate. Tourists come here, they follow a mile of gay flags on Market Street through non-gay sections to the Castro ...and are uniformly underwhelmed. There's nothing there, really. A Walgreens is the largest shop on Castro. And the people I know in the Eureka Valley business district are pretty adamant they are not part of and separate from the Castro, even though they're only two blocks away. The sacrifices I make for this forum!

Never been to Equinox since I prefer the Burritt Room in that part of town. The End Up is hardly a gays-only bar --it's reggae dub step one night, reelsoul the next, really just a bunch of travelling DJ parties one after another, a few days of which each month are gay focused. Because of their location, I'd kinda put both these places as clubs that cater to the bridge and tunnel crowd that locals avoid. No one likes wasting their time to then find out their target lives hours away in San Carlos, Fremont, or Walnut Creek.

The existence of temporary events like fairs that cater to tourists flying in doesn't mean anything about the actual residents of the city. Burning Man builds a city of 50,000 out of nothing in a desert every year. San Francisco has 30,000 cardiologists visiting one week, planes full of gays the next, then it's planes full of people for Mac World or Oracle World next. Tourists are not residents. They just fill up hotels for a few days then fly back home, replaced by the next interest group.

I wouldn't qualify the Folsom Street fair as gay as much as open to sex performers of all stripes. I know multiple heterosexual sex performers that work it fishing for private clients. Guys on this forum know lap dancers are a rip off to be avoided. Everything offered at the Folsom Street Fair is exactly the same --expensive ways of avoiding having sex similar to lap dances. Do not waste your time or money there.

More importantly, I have to disagree that "Gays are everywhere in S.F.", which is a common tourist misconception. Tourists come off the plane thinking every local man they see in SF is gay. We are not. The vast majority of the men in SF are heterosexual, with gays, even here, being a minority. Estimates of the gay population range as low as 4,000 to as high as 80,000 when a lot of tourists fly in for a weekend event like the Gay Pride parade (which still bloats the gay number with a lot of confused straights waving rainbow flags to show they're "supportive") with the median estimate being 12,000 gay city residents. Which means that as you walk around San Francisco, only 1 out of every 20 men you see is gay, with the other 19 out of 20 straight. Even if you chose to visit when some gay tourist event is flooding the city with out of town tourist gays for a weekend, at most only 3 out of 20 men you see would be gay, with the other 17 out of 20 straight. And while the gay population is highly concentrated in the Castro or say, the tranny staff of asiaSF (whose all-tranny floor show is popular with bachelorette parties for some sick reasoning of the female mind) , that means they're much lower than 1 out of 20 in most other districts of the city like North Beach or the Mission.

I will strongly agree with Kosko that "the feminism and gay movements piggyback off of each other." When I think of that, the main result of gays getting more political muscle will be more government social programming of men to be betas, and more prosecution of alpha men with made up crap.

 

[Goldin Boy]

Does it make lizards more receptive since the pool of eligibles is smaller or does it make them more critical, holding the straights to the standards of the effeminate men?

It wouldn't make the pool of eligible of men smaller, it will remain the same. The guys were gay before, it's just that they can actually get married legally now.

I'm convinced that gay marriage is a movement made by the lesbians to make their relationships feel more legit.

 

[ColSpanker]

And right outside DC:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/16/us/maryland-gay-marriage-faces-black-skepticism.html?_r=1