Will you take the vaccine?

TexasJenn

Woodpecker
Woman
How limited is your ability to lie? As in, to "get the vaccine" and your proof is a false card with a dummy lot number?

No judgment if you just want to be truthful, I might be a little too comfortable with lying about being vaxxed to acquaintances. (I don't have a false card, though.)
In general, I have a strong personal code against lying of any kind. I might make an exception in the case of an evil tyranny. However, I don't see a whole lot of benefit in using a fake vaccine passport. A world where I need to show a fake vaccine passport isn't a world I want to live in, so at that point, I'd be more likely to continue resisting and deal with the consequences.

I won't lie to family or friends about not being vaccinated. I've been open from the beginning about the fact that I won't be getting the shot. It helps that my mom and one of my closest friends feel the same way about it.
 

stugatz

Pelican
Just about everyone I know extremely well is vaxxed, sadly. This probably means I'm in a tighter spot than you when it comes to pressure, but I need to get less comfortable with lying to people even if it's about something like this.

"They're brainwashed and they won't understand, treat them accordingly" is true, but after a while it's a rationalization.
 

Kitty Tantrum

Woodpecker
Woman
Man, I won't even let anyone test me. Forget that.

Those test kits are probably often assembled under the same conditions as the disposable face masks: by children, on a dirty floor, somewhere in a third world country.

I've already had my whole life to get used to being ridiculed as a paranoid conspiracy nut, though. And the last few years preemptively giving up material attachments/dependencies and embracing austerity. So there is that.
 

TexasJenn

Woodpecker
Woman
Just about everyone I know extremely well is vaxxed, sadly. This probably means I'm in a tighter spot than you when it comes to pressure, but I need to get less comfortable with lying to people even if it's about something like this.
It can be an opportunity to educate people. Maybe hearing from you will make them think twice about getting more vaccines in the future.

Man, I won't even let anyone test me. Forget that.

Those test kits are probably often assembled under the same conditions as the disposable face masks: by children, on a dirty floor, somewhere in a third world country.

I've already had my whole life to get used to being ridiculed as a paranoid conspiracy nut, though. And the last few years preemptively giving up material attachments/dependencies and embracing austerity. So there is that.
I definitely don't want to do the tests. But I'm single and support myself, so it would be a big deal to lose my job. I draw the line at the vaccine. If my employer were to require it, I'd walk and find something else, even be self-employed/start my own business if I had to. But thank goodness it hasn't come to that.
 

Kitty Tantrum

Woodpecker
Woman
Yeah, @TexasJenn I really don't know what my options would be if I hadn't smelled something like this coming from a ways back. I feel for you. I feel for so many people.

It's hard to even imagine what state of mind I'd be in if I hadn't been personally researching and sounding the alarm over the issue of mandated vaccination (and govt. protection/lack of industry liability) for like... multiple decades, now.
 

TexasJenn

Woodpecker
Woman
It's hard to even imagine what state of mind I'd be in if I hadn't been personally researching and sounding the alarm over the issue of mandated vaccination (and govt. protection/lack of industry liability) for like... multiple decades, now.
I've never trusted the system. I knew it was filthy and gross from a young age. It definitely feels oppressive the way it's all rolling out. But I'm not surprised in the least. And for the most part I'm not too attached to this life. It may sound morose, but sometimes I think moving on to the hereafter, beyond all this evil, will be a relief.
 

DelMarMisty

Robin
Woman
Orthodox
Yeah, @TexasJenn I really don't know what my options would be if I hadn't smelled something like this coming fro m a ways back. I feel for you. I feel for so many people.

It's hard to even imagine what state of mind I'd be in if I hadn't been personally researching and sounding the alarm over the issue of mandated vaccination (and govt. protection/lack of industry liability) for like... multiple decades, now.
Can I ask, how did you know these things? Years of research, putting patterns together etc. I have also been 'conspiracy' minded my whole life, but didn't see this coming at all.
 

Kitty Tantrum

Woodpecker
Woman
Can I ask, how did you know these things? Years of research, putting patterns together etc. I have also been 'conspiracy' minded my whole life, but didn't see this coming at all.
Well, my dad taught me about a whole lot of things while I was growing up. Vaccines were one of them. I don't recall him throwing out any hard claims - but he would say things like:

"Research the rate of VERIFIED injury/death from vaccines. Compare it to the rate of injury/death from the illnesses they're supposed to prevent."

"Consider how difficult it is to get doctors to confirm that an adverse event was actually because of a vaccine. Think about the sharp rise in "inexplicable" infant mortality (cradle death/SIDS, etc.)"

"Look up the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986. Why do they need this protection if their product is as safe and effective as they claim? They should be making enough profit to easily afford to pay out claims without strict caps for injuries and deaths - if they are actually rare - just like other industries have to."

"Look at the charts they publish to illustrate the decline of disease mortality after vaccination became widespread. Then compare it to the data from the previous century, before they had any vaccines at all. Look at the rate of decline before and after. Compare it to the decline of diseases for which no vaccine was ever made."

"Look at historical disease data, look at the statistical curve of herd immunity. Look at where we are on that projected timeline."


By the time I was 12 or so, I'd done all of that research, and realized that vaccines are a scam at best.

I did all of the research AGAIN when it actually came time to have my own kids - and that was when the "anti-vax culture" had become flooded with cries of "VACCINES CAUSE AUTISM" countered with "THAT WAS DEBOOONKED!!!"

That was when I knew "they" were trying to discredit the "anti-vax" crowd by painting all of us with the "oh, so you think vaccines cause autism" brush.

That was pretty much when I knew that this was some kind of war, and that there was some kind of reckoning somewhere over the horizon.

Aside from that... I suppose it's a matter of having learned a bit about the language of symbolism, particularly as it relates to the occult and esoteric knowledge - and learning how to "smell" lies.
 

Ah_Tibor

Kingfisher
Woman
Orthodox
We spent time with my mom's friend yesterday (always a good friend to my mom, been friends for 45 years) and she is holding out. Her dumb millennial kids are screaming at her constantly.

In her bathroom there was a sign on the wall with the "what shall profit a man" verse. I don't know why one would put in the bathroom but I agree with the sentiment.

Felt good driving through my old region though with my mom, husband, and son, and having someone hold the latter who held me as a baby, too.

I have some regional stuff liked on FB and today it posted a pic from the same area about how there was a scorched-Earth campaign to kill all the Iroquois tribes in the late 1700s (they frequently attacked settlements); the road we followed yesterday (also ran past my old mobile home park) was the path they followed.

Yet nobody mentions these things much anymore. Progressivism and Reason was much opposed to those stupid tribes living in the earthly New Jerusalem. History doesn't repeat itself, but it does rhyme.
 

Ah_Tibor

Kingfisher
Woman
Orthodox
Sometimes I wonder if we're in a germ warfare cold war and all the nations are bringing bananas to the gunfight. I dunno. Remember when the US thought the Soviets were this super advanced nation that would crush us in everything? I'm too young but I have some idea that it wasn't too long ago.

I was reading through the Theranos thread and they seem to be a very similar company to Moderna-- except society wasn't being held hostage or having cult tactics applied to it based on whether or not they were successful. Especially since I think it was Moderna who claims they solved the coronavirus vaccine problem in two days.
 

Ah_Tibor

Kingfisher
Woman
Orthodox
The bathroom is a place of deep thought. :hmm:

Yeah, or it's a reminder when she gets out of the shower, maybe.

I think the younger set are the biggest believers on this. My mom's friend's kids (in their 30s) are trying to concern manipulate her, "oh remember when you were so worried about grandpa?" Except she took excellent care of her father (he passed away in his 90s about two years ago), took him to appointments, went out of her way 2 hours to spend time with him, etc. She didn't stay home and tell him to wait, or think a zoom call is somehow a replacement for contact.
 

Lamkins

Woodpecker
Woman
What’s amusing in an annoying way is Trump has pushed the jab from day 1, yet most of these pro jabbers probably aren’t fans of his. Pro jab? Wow, awesome, so is Trump! Heh….we need to get the word out.
 

Ah_Tibor

Kingfisher
Woman
Orthodox
What’s amusing in an annoying way is Trump has pushed the jab from day 1, yet most of these pro jabbers probably aren’t fans of his. Pro jab? Wow, awesome, so is Trump! Heh….we need to get the word out.

Trump started talking about hydroxycloroquine and that's when it got demonized in the MSM. Dr. Vladimir Zelenko claims to have treated him iirc. Then suddenly it went into Operation Warp Speed, maybe he got a briefcase full of money or dead horse head, I don't know.

I think a lot of the "boosters" will be unused-- overproduction-- and there's a big push to send them to African countries and India.
 

Lamkins

Woodpecker
Woman
Trump started talking about hydroxycloroquine and that's when it got demonized in the MSM. Dr. Vladimir Zelenko claims to have treated him iirc. Then suddenly it went into Operation Warp Speed, maybe he got a briefcase full of money or dead horse head, I don't know.

I think a lot of the "boosters" will be unused-- overproduction-- and there's a big push to send them to African countries and India.

I guess what I meant was he was and is very pro jab and has been from day 1 of the jab talk. I’m wondering about a lot of public figures I used to think weren’t compromised. These days the question isn’t if someone is compromised but just how compromised they are.
 

Ah_Tibor

Kingfisher
Woman
Orthodox
I guess what I meant was he was and is very pro jab and has been from day 1 of the jab talk. I’m wondering about a lot of public figures I used to think weren’t compromised. These days the question isn’t if someone is compromised but just how compromised they are.

Trump is an actor in political theater. Most major governments are run by some kind of inner party and they're not going to put the real people out front.
 

Ah_Tibor

Kingfisher
Woman
Orthodox
A lot of the old leftist types who traditionally anti-mainstream medicine are getting mercilessly wrecked these days, too. I think of the SJWs as spoiled kids who enjoy all the comforts of capitalism but don't want to be confronted with its stark realities, so they hate the old idealistic leftists because they're a bit more willing to drive an old diesel engine running on french-fry oil that goes 45 mph or dumpster dive, rather than just spreading "awareness" about sweatshop labor or demanding free stuff.
 

Ah_Tibor

Kingfisher
Woman
Orthodox

He sort of implied to take the vaccine towards the end?

I thought he meant not to let it take up free rent in our heads.

Every day I wake up it's like one of those Philip K. Dick novels that you stop reading because the plot is too confusing. So there's a pandemic that's actually organized by the government but the government is run by a shadowy corporation and it's not a pandemic but a mass existential musing on death in a death denying society. But wait, are there people dying and if so why, is the vaccine really testing drugs to control the populace more? Or is everything more propaganda. Also everyone is living in a virtual reality EXCEPT FOR ONE WORKING CLASS MAN with a weird name

My husband was saying he's hearing more and more 80s music even on non-80s stations and I think everyone is just getting collectively nostalgic for a pre-internet world.
 
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