Will younger women be put off as I get older?

Max Roscoe

Pelican
Orthodox Inquirer
However, my own experiences are totally different. Where I am from, if you are early 30s, the best you can realistically do is late 20s. Let's say 27-28 for a 31-33 year old male. Below that is just not going to work. Girls don't want a guy 10 years their senior. It not socially acceptable either
Wow, and I thought the US was bad! Where in the world has such insular norms for dating?

As for the OP, why are you worried about how masses of women will view you as you age?
Is it truly because you are afraid you won't be able to "meet as many friends at the club" as you currently do, as you asked?

This sounds like a PUA question coming from a place of fear of unable to indefinitely attract girls to fornicate with.

That's a bad idea, and this is the wrong place to be talking about it, but as you age the much larger issue is going to be hating clubs, not attracting a female once you are inside one. And the biggest issue with younger women is not that they may be slightly less attracted to you than they were 10 years ago, but that they will be immature, rude, have more mental problems and ADD behavior due to cell phone adoption, more ruined from the prevalence of Tinder, Netflix, and Only Fans, and they will simply be less feminine. You will still be able to attract them, if that is your question.

The *prime* ages for attracting younger/fertile women, at least for me in the US are from 30-40.
That doesn't mean it's not possible at 25 or 45. It's probably 80% as possible.
And that stat is only really useful from a sociological perspective, such as if we want to study human interaction out of curiosity or in terms of setting social policy.

But If you are interested in your own personal marriage prospects, it doesn't really matter at all. You only need to attract one woman. And you shouldn't focus on your age or her age. If you like her, pursue her. Don't make your age or hers part of the proposition at all. Men can attract women easily for decades. The only factor age plays really is fertility--either she is child bearing or she's not. It's a binary thing you should be able to see immediately upon meeting her.

I don't think there is any right or wrong time to marry, based merely on chronology.
But if I had to imagine the "best" scenario, it would be something like what Aristotle said:
18 for a woman and 37 for a man

That's about when both sexes peak. But fixating on the peak is going to let you down, the same way there will always be a peak hotter girl in the club than the one you just chatted up, or a guy with a newer, sexier car than the one you bought last month. If you want a real relationship you have to stop working about peak attractiveness and really physical appearance period, and focus on the more important things like relationship with God, habits, family upbringing, values, work ethic, etc.

If you want to continue "befriending" women at clubs, you can do so for as long as you can tolerate the club lifestyle, which will decline far faster than your looks will, but this is not the place to discuss it.
 

GWYW2015

Woodpecker
Orthodox
I am mid 30s dating 20yo for the last year and half. I am 100% sure this is the girl I want to marry.

Im curious how the age gap will manifest itself the next few years. When Im 40 she'll be mid 20s. When Im 50 she'll be mid 30s. If we stay together for the rest of my life, she will likely live on 20+ years after I die.

The gap doesnt bother her at all. She doesnt see me as "old". But who knows if she will continue to feel that way as I age and my overall energy levels continue to go down.
I am 59 my wife is 32.
You would do well to take good care of your body.
Not having an old mind-set helps. Don't try to act younger than you are but try not to act like an old fuddy duddy.
If she wants to dress you to suit her tastes, let her.
Don't treat her like a child.
Don't mind the age gap, focus on the same responsibilities every husband has to every wife.
When you need Viagra or the like, get it. It does make a difference. Even testosterone too.
Young women in foreign countries are fine with an older guy, he still needs to remind himself he married a young woman and she will have the needs of a young woman and he will need to meet them.
 
The older you get while unmarried, the bigger it is a red flag for some women. And I mean the more logical, rational mature women will be cautious of an unmarried middle aged man. They almost expect some baggage by the time you're into your 40's/50's. The younger women, however, may not be as skeptical.

And I don't blame them. If I were a woman and I met some successful, rich good looking middle aged guy who hasn't at least tried to have some sort of deep bond with another woman, I'd get psychopath/fuckboy vibes.
 
The best time to plant a tree is the past, the next best time is now.

Don't turn into this guy
As crazy as it seems, such a man is still probably happier than many men that got married to wives that verbally abuse them and constantly nag and control them. I feel many men stay in bad marriages and allow themselves to be controlled by bad wives because of the feeling of desperation and fear of being alone. If you can get over the fear of being alone, you can be more assertive (within reason) to your bad wife and if she leaves, you will not worry and likely will be happier.

I don't mean all marriages are bad, but it seems too many are. Of course, the idea of playing around so long and not at least dating to get married so long is unusual and would get old (but seems quite common in the USA). Perhaps such a man fears marriage in the USA and never considered retiring abroad where marriage is less risky. I admit that I would not get married in the USA due to laws that make marriage in the USA (and some other nations) dangerous for men. People are rational and he just chose what is a safer path in the USA.

I know the video is a joke, I was just being hypothetical.
 

Pointy Elbows

Woodpecker
Orthodox
Male SMV peaks somewhere around 45, given you are in very good shape, dress well, and financially on your game. You can still attract younger women at that age, but only if you deliver the goods (wife suitability issues considered separately). There are benefits, but you will also have young-woman-problems. Where the relation goes from that initial point is a whole different issue.

Articulatecool's point is important. "Pre-selection" is a big deal. She will ask things like: Has he dated much/been married (read: is he socially adept/stable)? Was his ex-wife pretty (read: another hot chick picked him already so that's a good sign)? Did he have an LTR/marriage or is he a pump-and-dump only guy? Was his marriage long-term or has he had 3 x 3-year marriages?
 
What I would say is that it depends on the woman. If you are a man in his mid 30s, there are some women in their early 20s that would be unwelcome to a relationship with you given age and social norms. Therefore, a large chunk of the female population in that age range would automatically disqualify you for something serious.

The girls, however, that are into that will be more likely to get with you given that they want an older man and fewer are available to them numbers wise. Many of the ones that are available, further, will be out of shape and appear "old". The keys are finding the right one who is into the age gap, staying in shape, and keeping up with your physical appearance. This is not all that is needed, however, will better your chances of landing a girl 10+ years younger than you. Further, confidence in yourself, economic stability, and your purpose are fundamental, as these are some of the main reasons why a younger girl would want an older male. Whatever you do, do not try to shower her with money/gifts, as that would establish the wrong kind of relationship and would give the idea of a sugar daddy thing.

I am mid 30s, currently dating 21 year old. I am very serious about the relationship and so is she. There are some difficulties socially with the age gap, as many of her friends are living the go out and get wild lifestyle, however, you obviously will need to find a girl who rejects that lifestyle for something simpler. I am unsure at what age the availability of these women for something serious would drop off, however, I would guess that once you get past 33, the chances start to drop off for women under 25 years old. I do, however, think that if you want a woman 26 years old and up, the chances would not drop off considerably after 33. Maybe mid 40s is when that would occur. This is all speculation, however. Just maintain yourself as best as you can, keep high energy in life and exercise, and be confident.
 

GWYW2015

Woodpecker
Orthodox
Male SMV peaks somewhere around 45, given you are in very good shape, dress well, and financially on your game. You can still attract younger women at that age, but only if you deliver the goods (wife suitability issues considered separately). There are benefits, but you will also have young-woman-problems. Where the relation goes from that initial point is a whole different issue.

Articulatecool's point is important. "Pre-selection" is a big deal. She will ask things like: Has he dated much/been married (read: is he socially adept/stable)? Was his ex-wife pretty (read: another hot chick picked him already so that's a good sign)? Did he have an LTR/marriage or is he a pump-and-dump only guy? Was his marriage long-term or has he had 3 x 3-year marriages?
Some women on dating sites will say they will go out with a divorced man or a widowed man but not someone who is single and never married. Talk about making it difficult!
 

stugatz

Pelican
I can say that at 33, I have no problem getting women making eyes at me (I look 25). Far more than did when I was actually in my twenties and in way better shape. (I think that my need for women to like me just radiated off of me, and they all sensed it and steered clear.)

Thing is, I'm financially in a very bad spot right now, and trying to pick the pieces up. Once they see what I'm doing to make ends meet, that usually thins out the herd quite a bit.

Not that it matters - I don't want to date right now and wouldn't have the time. I'm just hoping that when I *do* improve my situation over the next year or so, that I'm not unattractive all of a sudden. Oh well, I can always become a monk, right?
 
I just got out of a long term relationship with a 26 year old - 3 years together - it got to the point where either we got married or we broke up. Here's the catch - I said I would not get married unless she agreed to have kids. She flip flopped for a year and then two days ago she woke up crying saying she didn't want kids ever. So I told her to get in the truck, we went and loaded all her shit out of my house and two hours later we were broken up. I thought I was going to marry this woman - but she chose career over children.

Anyways, here I am 29 years old with 3 years of my life wasted. I am financially in a great position, I own a house and have a good job clearing 130k. I am white and attractive - though I wouldn't call myself fit (I'm a skinny fucker, 5'10 and 145 lbs). I just worry about the prospects of dating my own age - everyone is either married with kids, never wants kids, already has kids, or honestly unattractive. But I worry that I'm too old to date the crowd that would want kids - and still be attractive.

Also it will be intimidating to ask girls on day one if they want kids.
 
I just got out of a long term relationship with a 26 year old - 3 years together - it got to the point where either we got married or we broke up. Here's the catch - I said I would not get married unless she agreed to have kids. She flip flopped for a year and then two days ago she woke up crying saying she didn't want kids ever. So I told her to get in the truck, we went and loaded all her shit out of my house and two hours later we were broken up. I thought I was going to marry this woman - but she chose career over children.

Anyways, here I am 29 years old with 3 years of my life wasted. I am financially in a great position, I own a house and have a good job clearing 130k. I am white and attractive - though I wouldn't call myself fit (I'm a skinny fucker, 5'10 and 145 lbs). I just worry about the prospects of dating my own age - everyone is either married with kids, never wants kids, already has kids, or honestly unattractive. But I worry that I'm too old to date the crowd that would want kids - and still be attractive.

Also it will be intimidating to ask girls on day one if they want kids.
29 is not old. You will be fine. As stated in my mid 30s and have zero problems doing it. Do you really think that yourself at age 21 or 22 could outcompete yourself at age 29? For me there is no contest. Not even close. I imagine for you, you would say the same. Good luck my friend. I hope you recover well from the breakup. Those are always difficult no matter who ends it and under what circumstances.
 

Stadtaffe

Woodpecker
Orthodox
Gold Member
Anyways, here I am 29 years old with 3 years of my life wasted. I am financially in a great position, I own a house and have a good job clearing 130k. I am white and attractive - though I wouldn't call myself fit (I'm a skinny fucker, 5'10 and 145 lbs). I just worry about the prospects of dating my own age - everyone is either married with kids, never wants kids, already has kids, or honestly unattractive. But I worry that I'm too old to date the crowd that would want kids - and still be attractive.
The most plentiful years of my dating life were in my early 30s. Don't stuff it up though, now in my early 40s and something has changed. More with me than with the girl's response to me, but at this age you can't really hang so easily with an early 20s set, maybe late 20s just but you still can.

Was going to add my two cents worth - I read a statistic once - 4 years was the average age difference between the man and the woman in relationships in Germany (woman younger). Don't remember the statistic super exactly but was about that. My longest relationships had an age difference of 4 years and 2 years (girl younger) although there have been shorter things with larger age differences. I'm not obsessed with really young girls anyhow, like the OP may be.

Was good to read about the huge age differences here though. The biology and instinct of it is in favour of potentially large age differences, but the culture (in the west) wants to make that taboo. Just on every other point where western culture is fighting nature, nature and the truth will win. Anyway, your eyes don't lie, look at some of the pairings out there..

Of course this is only if you keep yourself still ready for the market as you age, and anyone who fight's God's will by endlessly having sterile, childless relationships but expecting as they age nothing is going to change will eventually go under the wheels.
 

GWYW2015

Woodpecker
Orthodox
I just got out of a long term relationship with a 26 year old - 3 years together - it got to the point where either we got married or we broke up. Here's the catch - I said I would not get married unless she agreed to have kids. She flip flopped for a year and then two days ago she woke up crying saying she didn't want kids ever. So I told her to get in the truck, we went and loaded all her shit out of my house and two hours later we were broken up. I thought I was going to marry this woman - but she chose career over children.

Anyways, here I am 29 years old with 3 years of my life wasted. I am financially in a great position, I own a house and have a good job clearing 130k. I am white and attractive - though I wouldn't call myself fit (I'm a skinny fucker, 5'10 and 145 lbs). I just worry about the prospects of dating my own age - everyone is either married with kids, never wants kids, already has kids, or honestly unattractive. But I worry that I'm too old to date the crowd that would want kids - and still be attractive.

Also it will be intimidating to ask girls on day one if they want kids.
It is a perfectly normal and acceptable question for you to ask. It should be asked, it's okay.
 

ZAMSKI

Robin
29 is not old. You will be fine. As stated in my mid 30s and have zero problems doing it. Do you really think that yourself at age 21 or 22 could outcompete yourself at age 29? For me there is no contest. Not even close. I imagine for you, you would say the same. Good luck my friend. I hope you recover well from the breakup. Those are always difficult no matter who ends it and under what circumstances.
Exactly, I'm in my early 30s right now. I actually have gotten a lot better looking by gymming hard and increasing my style in my late 20s. The version of me now would ABSOLUTELY crush the early 20s/mid 20s version of me.
 

Nordwand

Kingfisher
Looking at the various comments on age gaps, I'm guessing that the very old traditional figure for the woman's age of half yours + 7 is long gone!
 
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