Will younger women be put off as I get older?

Maddox

Woodpecker
A great example is Dave Foley, whose wife divorced him as soon as his show was canceled. That was a deliberate tactic to make sure she got the most alimony possible. He describes the situation here:
Geez...I thought the US was bad. This was horrifying to hear.

This law must've been drawn up by a woman because it makes no sense at all and is totally unfair to the man.
 
@Nordwand

"I recall a post somewhere, from a guy over in the US. His wife hit him with a frivorce, only to find out that, although he lived an extremely comfortable life, pretty well everything was either in his father's name, or registered to the family firm"

This is probably the way things will go in the West - males will put their assets into some kind of company structure - they'll own nothing and control everything. I've heard that this is what some wealthy people do? The other alternative might be to place all your assets in your parents names?
 
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Viktor Zeegelaar

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I haven't read this thread but what I'd say is that for a man 5-10 years ahead is good in comparison to the woman. In ancient Sparta men went to war and when they retired at 35 they married a 20 year old woman. Sounds very healthy to me, both are in their prime at that particular age. If you're older you'll have your life more in order materialistically and more important mentally/spiritually, as for a man there is a way bigger journey to develop a personality, skills and an opinion than for women, who follow the most dominant force in their surroundings, whether that is a good, moral God fearing, loving and caring man or a Satanic government led by Bill Gates. So in short do your age minus 10 years and there's no problem at all, if you can back your age up with being a coherent personality with a coherent world view at least. In this day and age of lies and deception I have the impression that for most men their 20s is lost in darkness anyway, partying, fornication, pursuing money and material things, until they crash and in their late 20s hopefully get their life in order, as I've certainly been an example of someone like that on his way to stability. In the past, morals and expectations and roles were clear so men wouldn't have to go through such immense suffering, distraction and confusion to see the basic realities of life, but that's the time we've been put in.
 

Don Quixote

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According to the natural order, a man should probably marry and have children when he is mid thirties with a woman who is early 20's, but in the western inverted order where biological differences are not recognized, nor are fundamental social differences in terms of who accrues the wealth or provides for the family, the entire age structure goes out the window.

Both man and woman remain single, hypergamous, until they are in their early 30's, neither wanting to commit but both being miserable at the same time. This trick basically forces the woman to have only one child (reluctantly), and settle down with someone she does not love. The marriage fails in divorce and the offspring has to deal with the emotional consequences of a broken family.

As time goes on, things become more inverted. Females freeze their eggs and go on having multiple partners, seeking younger and younger men even into their 40's. You can imagine the social consequences. Society will fall apart unless the State––governed mostly by women leaders–– takes complete control and neuters men both biologically and spiritually. Children will no longer be born naturally but will be produced in a laboratory.
 

Seeker79

Kingfisher
According to the natural order, a man should probably marry and have children when he is mid thirties with a woman who is early 20's, but in the western inverted order where biological differences are not recognized, nor are fundamental social differences in terms of who accrues the wealth or provides for the family, the entire age structure goes out the window.

Both man and woman remain single, hypergamous, until they are in their early 30's, neither wanting to commit but both being miserable at the same time. This trick basically forces the woman to have only one child (reluctantly), and settle down with someone she does not love. The marriage fails in divorce and the offspring has to deal with the emotional consequences of a broken family.

As time goes on, things become more inverted. Females freeze their eggs and go on having multiple partners, seeking younger and younger men even into their 40's. You can imagine the social consequences. Society will fall apart unless the State––governed mostly by women leaders–– takes complete control and neuters men both biologically and spiritually. Children will no longer be born naturally but will be produced in a laboratory.
Another factor resulting from this cultural trend is the generally negative psychological marriage expectations of women who have children in their 30s. By the time they have children they have been programmed by over three decades of propaganda that makes them think they are victims, that males are out to get them in marriage, and that having children is a special burden that makes women special. This results in women seeing all sacrifices in marriage in motherhood as men pushing down on them. How can men, and really families, thrive given this toxic cultural context?
 

soli.deo.gloria

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A great example is Dave Foley, whose wife divorced him as soon as his show was canceled. That was a deliberate tactic to make sure she got the most alimony possible.
Well I knew the court system was broken and biased against men but I thought all the dudes from "The Kids in the Hall" were homosexuals. Now I have to look it up to see what his story is. :nerd

Edit: Married with kids twice, divorced twice. Didn't see that one coming.
 
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Blade Runner

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Orthodox
There are good women in the West, however, they partner up by their early to mid-twenties.
I think this is the best explanation of what is going on, and why I call it a lottery. I've met some of these, and they are even my religion, but either career or age gap propaganda goes against what is natural in trying to fix people up these days.
 
boomers and even Gen X are so out of touch with the dating scene you might as well do the opposite of whatever they 'advise'.

They never had to deal with insane entitlement, or women riding the carousel. Sure there was maybe a few loose women everyone knew about, or even a lukewarm Christian girl who kept it on the down low, but full blown lack of suitable female partners in the west that exists today? Unprecedented.
I'm Gen X myself, but I can definitely believe that if my marriage had worked out, or if I hadn't dated younger girls more recently, then I would have absolutely no clue what's going on out there.

The carousel is ubiquitous. As far as I can tell, 100% of young women "give it a try" - it's as common as porn is for young men.

But men and women are different and the deleterious effect of porn on men is easily repaired by a relationship with a real girl. Very few healthy, normal men will look at a naked picture of a perfect-10 woman and then find themselves dissatisfied with an average girl who is willing to love them.

Unfortunately, the way it seems to work for women, as far as I can tell, is that nearly all of them are damaged by their treatment on the carousel. They have all had sex with alpha men, and they are all alpha widows. They are all, at the very least, carrying a torch for that one "perfect" guy who they matched with on tinder, and had one night with.

And that's what happens if they get pumped and dumped. That is literally the lowest form of damage. As a man trying to date them, you might be able to overcome that. The next level of damage is their "friends with benefits" relationships. If you thought they were unable to bond with you because they were still in love with an alpha ... ha! They're still having sex with that alpha! Nothing you do on a date makes an impression on them. You're just entertaining them until their booty call later that night.

I've been on the other side of that equation too. I've had girls out on dates surreptitiously texting me that they'll see me later that night. The dude has no idea, and no chance.

But perhaps the worst form of damage is when they finally burn out from all this. Jaded, cynical, unhappy, post-wall women are the saddest thing in the world. They've wasted their youth and have nothing of value to show for it.

And all of this is new - within the last 20 years or so. Gen X and earlier have no experience with this.
 

Seeker79

Kingfisher
I'm Gen X myself, but I can definitely believe that if my marriage had worked out, or if I hadn't dated younger girls more recently, then I would have absolutely no clue what's going on out there.

The carousel is ubiquitous. As far as I can tell, 100% of young women "give it a try" - it's as common as porn is for young men.

But men and women are different and the deleterious effect of porn on men is easily repaired by a relationship with a real girl. Very few healthy, normal men will look at a naked picture of a perfect-10 woman and then find themselves dissatisfied with an average girl who is willing to love them.

Unfortunately, the way it seems to work for women, as far as I can tell, is that nearly all of them are damaged by their treatment on the carousel. They have all had sex with alpha men, and they are all alpha widows. They are all, at the very least, carrying a torch for that one "perfect" guy who they matched with on tinder, and had one night with.

And that's what happens if they get pumped and dumped. That is literally the lowest form of damage. As a man trying to date them, you might be able to overcome that. The next level of damage is their "friends with benefits" relationships. If you thought they were unable to bond with you because they were still in love with an alpha ... ha! They're still having sex with that alpha! Nothing you do on a date makes an impression on them. You're just entertaining them until their booty call later that night.

I've been on the other side of that equation too. I've had girls out on dates surreptitiously texting me that they'll see me later that night. The dude has no idea, and no chance.

But perhaps the worst form of damage is when they finally burn out from all this. Jaded, cynical, unhappy, post-wall women are the saddest thing in the world. They've wasted their youth and have nothing of value to show for it.

And all of this is new - within the last 20 years or so. Gen X and earlier have no experience with this.
Seems like going to a third world country to find a younger woman who doesn’t have time to deal with this kind of insanity because of their poverty is the only alternative.
 
Seems like going to a third world country to find a younger woman who doesn’t have time to deal with this kind of insanity because of their poverty is the only alternative.
Worth a try, I suppose. I've heard stories about guys getting scammed when they go that route though. If you learn the language and immerse yourself in the culture, you'll probably have a better chance than some idiot tourist who allows himself to get picked up by a street walker.

Also, probably shouldn't bring her to the US. Check out this story and note how fast this girl switches to American culture (captain of the cheerleading team, offered a job as a flight attendant, etc.). https://www.ted.com/talks/rick_smolan_the_story_of_a_girl/
 

Blade Runner

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Orthodox
Worth a try, I suppose. I've heard stories about guys getting scammed when they go that route though. If you learn the language and immerse yourself in the culture, you'll probably have a better chance than some idiot tourist who allows himself to get picked up by a street walker.

Also, probably shouldn't bring her to the US. Check out this story and note how fast this girl switches to American culture (captain of the cheerleading team, offered a job as a flight attendant, etc.). https://www.ted.com/talks/rick_smolan_the_story_of_a_girl/
Yes, there's no doubt that all of this carries risks but at this point, it's pretty much the only option. The other part that I was thinking about recently is "What does America hold for you anyway?" The answer is not much: indoctrination, competition, abuse of your children, WAY higher cost of living ... the list goes on and on. It seems like at the very least, it would be a net positive to raise your kids in a country where they aren't spoiled and indoctrinated, if you can. I almost see the lack of having children right now to be a net positive, almost a mercy perhaps from God, given how disgusting american culture is.

It always comes back to "Does the woman need you"? If the answer is still no, you won't get good behavior. Yes, there are exceptions, but on a population level, it's all probability when the demons are flying around unabated.
 

Seeker79

Kingfisher
Yes, there's no doubt that all of this carries risks but at this point, it's pretty much the only option. The other part that I was thinking about recently is "What does America hold for you anyway?" The answer is not much: indoctrination, competition, abuse of your children, WAY higher cost of living ... the list goes on and on. It seems like at the very least, it would be a net positive to raise your kids in a country where they aren't spoiled and indoctrinated, if you can. I almost see the lack of having children right now to be a net positive, almost a mercy perhaps from God, given how disgusting american culture is.

It always comes back to "Does the woman need you"? If the answer is still no, you won't get good behavior. Yes, there are exceptions, but on a population level, it's all probability when the demons are flying around unabated.
For me personally a career and a way to make a living. I'm not rich or high earning but I know I'm doing better than average with no debt and ability to put a few bucks into 401k and savings. Other than that not much else but the trappings of a career make it difficult to take a longer trip to find a woman.
 

Blade Runner

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Orthodox
For me personally a career and a way to make a living. I'm not rich or high earning but I know I'm doing better than average with no debt and ability to put a few bucks into 401k and savings. Other than that not much else but the trappings of a career make it difficult to take a longer trip to find a woman.
This is a real issue and a paradox. Male baseline value has been inflated which ate away at the average man, for reasons we've stated a thousand times, especially with the advent of technology and concurrent state support of women with $ and the law code. I'm coming from a different point of view and a different situation than most, where success and ego (I think fairly objective, lol) also create a desire for a woman that is far more reasonable/much lower supply in the USA. I do have money, but increasingly ask myself what's the point of having all that money ahead- I know, a good position to be in but also a curse of sorts, if you don't want to just say F it, I'll just sugar girls or some other crazy crap like that.
 

Seeker79

Kingfisher
This is a real issue and a paradox. Male baseline value has been inflated which ate away at the average man, for reasons we've stated a thousand times, especially with the advent of technology and concurrent state support of women with $ and the law code. I'm coming from a different point of view and a different situation than most, where success and ego (I think fairly objective, lol) also create a desire for a woman that is far more reasonable/much lower supply in the USA. I do have money, but increasingly ask myself what's the point of having all that money ahead- I know, a good position to be in but also a curse of sorts, if you don't want to just say F it, I'll just sugar girls or some other crazy crap like that.
I can easily see myself sliding into early 40s as a bachelor. I've seen so many guys get into early 40s and then decide to become a father. Not the path I would prefer but it does make me feel better that it's not too late even in early 40s.
 

Blade Runner

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Orthodox
I can easily see myself sliding into early 40s as a bachelor. I've seen so many guys get into early 40s and then decide to become a father. Not the path I would prefer but it does make me feel better that it's not too late even in early 40s.
I'll confess I had a couple of chances with girls I could have got along with, but region/family/religion were all in the mix, as I was around the country working at my profession. The point is that no one really cared about what you would become when parental guidance became a thing of the past and women working became the norm. In a certain sense it was the immediate gratification, because there was no impetus on girls to secure a man since they were already working or working towards "making their own money." I guess I was an inverse of a woman, the difference being that a man's value goes up over time, hers down. I was waiting it out - but for a man that works. You just get more wealthy, more established, wiser - but for the culture, which is against you. On average, every person overestimates his (definitely her in this modern age) value, but there are objective realities. A forum member I was talking to recently said when he spoke with a youtuber/consultant known to this forum, relating that he was over 6' and made six figures, that makes him a 99.7%. If you are in this stat range, connecting with a 7 (or 6.5 to 8) who is relatively young/youthful should be easy. It's not, quite obviously in the USA, so that's why I always talk about foreign places since you can overcome so much by just connecting with a girl who is like 22-24 without an issue, at all.

Of the stories that you know, of "guys who are early 40s" who aren't married/fathers, what are the reasons generally? I suppose that it is another iteration of, if you don't get the girl in your mid twenties, the game becomes: guy value skyrocketing year by year, girl value plummeting, juice ain't worth squeeze with the law the way it is, empowerment/media/nagging, subconscious understanding of women that they are backed at nearly all costs, guys not at all.
 

Seeker79

Kingfisher
Of the stories that you know, of "guys who are early 40s" who aren't married/fathers, what are the reasons generally? I suppose that it is another iteration of, if you don't get the girl in your mid twenties, the game becomes: guy value skyrocketing year by year, girl value plummeting, juice ain't worth squeeze with the law the way it is, empowerment/media/nagging, subconscious understanding of women that they are backed at nearly all costs, guys not at all.
  • Bitterness after failed marriage or engagement in their 20s or 30s. One succcessful lawyer friend who took over his father's practice was burned after his fiance suddenly left him five years into relationship. Took a serious friend/family intervention to stop his drinking and bring him back to life. His ex-fiance was married within months to another guy. Now this guy has basically sworn women off and stopped actively seeking. But he still admits he wants marriage and children.
  • Two of my other friends have never had long term relationships (good or bad) with women. Both were nerdy growing up but did well in college and now make 200k+ each working a senior developers in tech. These are predictable and dependable guys that are healthy and have stable high earnings. Their self admitted challenge is their their lack of experience with women. (One never had LTR and another just a year early in his 20's).
  • One colleague I know through a local business investment board owns a bunch of low end hotels. Makes good living and made smart business decisions during pandemic to keep his hotels afloat. He is Indian but I'd say a decent looking guy. Well educated, not short, and charismatic. He is very much an American and wants a woman of similar mindset but can't find one in his community or with others. He takes a trip to Thailand (or Colombia more recently due to covid) every chance he gets. I suspect he is coping by patronizing direct exchanges of love and affection.
Are these guys perfect? No but they are more successful than average. None of them are fat, deformed, or have health issues. Finally, they would all commit to marriage with a decent woman.
 

Dilated

Woodpecker
  • Bitterness after failed marriage or engagement in their 20s or 30s. One succcessful lawyer friend who took over his father's practice was burned after his fiance suddenly left him five years into relationship. Took a serious friend/family intervention to stop his drinking and bring him back to life. His ex-fiance was married within months to another guy. Now this guy has basically sworn women off and stopped actively seeking. But he still admits he wants marriage and children.
  • Two of my other friends have never had long term relationships (good or bad) with women. Both were nerdy growing up but did well in college and now make 200k+ each working a senior developers in tech. These are predictable and dependable guys that are healthy and have stable high earnings. Their self admitted challenge is their their lack of experience with women. (One never had LTR and another just a year early in his 20's).
  • One colleague I know through a local business investment board owns a bunch of low end hotels. Makes good living and made smart business decisions during pandemic to keep his hotels afloat. He is Indian but I'd say a decent looking guy. Well educated, not short, and charismatic. He is very much an American and wants a woman of similar mindset but can't find one in his community or with others. He takes a trip to Thailand (or Colombia more recently due to covid) every chance he gets. I suspect he is coping by patronizing direct exchanges of love and affection.
Are these guys perfect? No but they are more successful than average. None of them are fat, deformed, or have health issues. Finally, they would all commit to marriage with a decent woman.

The quality of the women has gotten so bad that I think smart guys are having trouble reconciling the value proposition, or lack there of. Smart men become valuable by doing things that women don’t recognize or actively despise- not getting into debt (big house YAY!!), not driving a fancy car, focusing on health rather than going to the bar, mitigating chaos, spending time building a business which takes time away from her, having a (boring!!!) routine, etc.

Women not being able to recognize these things as value hasn’t changed- what has changed is they won’t allow themselves to be lead. To submit. To trust that a masculine figure will protect them. There is no pressure to submit- church, parents, society.

One of their primary jobs is to be a stress reliever. I’ve never met a woman under 40 that understands that. Not one.

So, the decision is this- you can have the family and marriage…but it will come at the cost of doing everything that is in direct violation of everything you know to be true and effective. You essentially would be failing on purpose. Actively. And you know this.

Or…you can solve that problem today…and decide you’re done…but that comes at the cost of family and kids.

They will destroy you if you let them. And there isn’t a single institution left that addresses this and attempts to rein this in.
 

Seeker79

Kingfisher
One of their primary jobs is to be a stress reliever. I’ve never met a woman under 40 that understands that. Not one.
And this goes both ways. A healthy relationship bolsters the individual through mutual support, making it easier to bear the burdens of the external world. This is communicated through empathy, listening, providing care, and nurturing. Both sides need this, perhaps women even more, but it's their self destructive behavior that sets modern women on a path of failure -- thus they don't realize the stress reliever role (and its importance) until 40 when it is too late.
 
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