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<blockquote data-quote="Kid Twist" data-source="post: 1299500" data-attributes="member: 10894">Really quickly, so others aren't made to stumble here:Yes they were.Ever heard of this guy (Saul) Paul of Tarsus? Yet another example of a Semitic (pharisee too) person whose native language for all intents and purposes was Greek, like a majority of jews at the time. Oh yeah, he also met and spoke with many witnesses, although yes, his &quot;witness&quot; was only on the road to Damascus. Now I know he is not a gospel writer, but the gospel writers all had knowledge of Greek (the point), yes some were better than others I imagine.according to you? Sounds like you made a new gospel here, &quot;κατα Varsan&quot; lolWhile the gospel of John is the most obvious in examples of &quot;I am YHWH&quot; for the untrained biblical scholar, the Epistles of Paul (for example, the letter to the Romans ~56 AD?) were written before the gospel of Mark even, and they have clear references not only to Christ as God, but to the Holy Trinity. So, you are incorrect in an even more roundabout way than you could have known.No, the teaching has always been that Christ is the fulfillment and &quot;history&quot; is in fact over, in this incarnation sense, since the world has been defeated and the last enemy (death) is overcome. The second point I've already dealt with above. What's more, the entire point of the Gospel is that Christ has power over nature, he forgives sins, ie he does things ONLY GOD CAN DO. This is low level muslim argumentation.No, you didn't show it, but you think you did. Nevertheless, I will give you a chance to actually provide evidence for your assertions, which you didn't do above.Amusing, what &quot;did the real historical Jesus teach&quot;? I'm sure you know, just like the gnostic gospels, you must have some inside &quot;knowledge&quot; that is &quot;hidden.&quot;Final point(s) that is/are actually more accurate?Jesus wasn't a jew, he was a Galilean. What we refer to as Jews in the modern vernacular weren't &quot;Jews&quot; in Jesus of Nazareth's time. They are inheritors of rabbinical judaism, which intentionally changed the scriptures, wrote on many topics, but don't have some pretty important things you would think &quot;Jews&quot; would have --- namely, a Temple, a priesthood, and a way to make sacrifices (using the former).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Kid Twist, post: 1299500, member: 10894"] Really quickly, so others aren't made to stumble here: Yes they were. Ever heard of this guy (Saul) Paul of Tarsus? Yet another example of a Semitic (pharisee too) person whose native language for all intents and purposes was Greek, [i][b]like a majority of jews[/b][/i] at the time. Oh yeah, he also met and spoke with many witnesses, although yes, his "witness" was only on the road to Damascus. Now I know he is not a gospel writer, but the gospel writers all had knowledge of Greek (the point), yes some were better than others I imagine. according to you? Sounds like you made a new gospel here, "κατα Varsan" lol While the gospel of John is the most obvious in examples of "I am YHWH" for the untrained biblical scholar, the Epistles of Paul (for example, the letter to the Romans ~56 AD?) were written before the gospel of Mark even, and they have clear references not only to Christ as God, but to the Holy Trinity. So, you are incorrect in an even more roundabout way than you could have known. No, the teaching has always been that Christ is the fulfillment and "history" is in fact over, in this incarnation sense, since the world has been defeated and the last enemy (death) is overcome. The second point I've already dealt with above. What's more, the entire point of the Gospel is that Christ has power over nature, he forgives sins, ie he does things ONLY GOD CAN DO. This is low level muslim argumentation. No, you didn't show it, but you think you did. Nevertheless, I will give you a chance to actually provide evidence for your assertions, which you didn't do above. Amusing, what "did the real historical Jesus teach"? I'm sure you know, just like the gnostic gospels, you must have some inside "knowledge" that is "hidden." Final point(s) that is/are actually more accurate? Jesus wasn't a jew, he was a Galilean. What we refer to as Jews in the modern vernacular weren't "Jews" in Jesus of Nazareth's time. They are inheritors of rabbinical judaism, which intentionally changed the scriptures, wrote on many topics, but don't have some pretty important things you would think "Jews" would have --- namely, a Temple, a priesthood, and a way to make sacrifices (using the former). [/QUOTE]

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