Woke Military

The fact that the Marine Corps had to "create a Transgender Policy" and told me to sign a piece of paper recognizing a policy existed was the nail in the coffin for me. I refused to sing, and had dropped papers anyway... but this is just glorification of the Tranny Freakshow.

What a disgusting joke.
Get out before they screw you over, telling from a friend.
 

Steiner

Sparrow
The people that are running this clown show know that all of these things make the US military into a much less effective fighting force. Unit cohesion must be at an all time low. Considering at the same time they are trying to foist us into wars with actual, formidable foes... it's hard to believe this bold strategy is gonna pay off for em'. The only thing I can wrap my head around is that they:
A. Want America to fight forever wars with overwhelming odds (Iraq & Afghanistan) or B. Just want the US to lose and be kicked out of the spotlight (Insert conglomerate of Iran, China, Turkey, Russia, N. Korea) or C. Are relying on creating a military of machine operators that only know how to press a button, fly drones and say "Yes (whatever pronoun you pick this week as Sir will surely be outlawed)".

Seeing that a metric ton of hard-F Marines were driven back by the Chinese human wave at Chosin Reservoir - back at one of the peaks of US military power - does not instill confidence in a military being purged of true warriors facing much of the same...

No disrespect to those men. I've met some of the Frozen Chosin and they are the kind of men we wish we still had around. Only seeking to juxtapose those types of fighters vs what we are looking at now facing similar odds. God forbid it comes to that.
 

get2choppaaa

Ostrich
The people that are running this clown show know that all of these things make the US military into a much less effective fighting force. Unit cohesion must be at an all time low. Considering at the same time they are trying to foist us into wars with actual, formidable foes... it's hard to believe this bold strategy is gonna pay off for em'. The only thing I can wrap my head around is that they:
A. Want America to fight forever wars with overwhelming odds (Iraq & Afghanistan) or B. Just want the US to lose and be kicked out of the spotlight (Insert conglomerate of Iran, China, Turkey, Russia, N. Korea) or C. Are relying on creating a military of machine operators that only know how to press a button, fly drones and say "Yes (whatever pronoun you pick this week as Sir will surely be outlawed)".

Seeing that a metric ton of hard-F Marines were driven back by the Chinese human wave at Chosin Reservoir - back at one of the peaks of US military power - does not instill confidence in a military being purged of true warriors facing much of the same...

No disrespect to those men. I've met some of the Frozen Chosin and they are the kind of men we wish we still had around. Only seeking to juxtapose those types of fighters vs what we are looking at now facing similar odds. God forbid it comes to that.
Its not really that.

There are plenty of killers and hard chargers out there who will do the dirty work.

Its really just a reflection that the military is doing the bidding of the oligarchs world wide. Globohomo military is only a thing because the money powers at an international level are promoting it.

The .mil industrial complex is tied in with corporations all the same.

Its been that way since before Eisenhower...

Look up Smedley Butler and the Business Plot.
 

Steiner

Sparrow
Its not really that.

There are plenty of killers and hard chargers out there who will do the dirty work.

Its really just a reflection that the military is doing the bidding of the oligarchs world wide. Globohomo military is only a thing because the money powers at an international level are promoting it.

The .mil industrial complex is tied in with corporations all the same.

Its been that way since before Eisenhower...

Look up Smedley Butler and the Business Plot.

I don't disagree that the military is doing the bidding of the establishment/corporations, that much has been clear for nearly 100 yrs. Also don't disagree that there is a good amount of fighters left in the US military to do damage. But those numbers are dwindling every day, and as we've seen, a small batch of elites don't win wars. I'm purely talking from a standpoint of military conflict with another competing world power. Don't get me wrong, my goal isn't to bash the military. Just trying to look at things from a standpoint with as little bias as possible.

I'm an American citizen, lover of military history, but I do realize we've had the rose colored glasses on for a long time in terms of power. The culture has changed dramatically in our lifetimes, do kids even say the pledge of allegiance in school anymore?
We've been in Iraq/Afghanistan for almost two decades each. As we fight these forever wars, and the military becomes more and more woke, less of the best men in society are willing to sign up.

Let me pose you this question: This woke-ness continues for approx 4 more years. On a combat effectiveness scale, how do you think we stack up to, take your pick, Russia, Iran, China?
 

Towgunner

Kingfisher
The people that are running this clown show know that all of these things make the US military into a much less effective fighting force. Unit cohesion must be at an all time low. Considering at the same time they are trying to foist us into wars with actual, formidable foes... it's hard to believe this bold strategy is gonna pay off for em'. The only thing I can wrap my head around is that they:
A. Want America to fight forever wars with overwhelming odds (Iraq & Afghanistan) or B. Just want the US to lose and be kicked out of the spotlight (Insert conglomerate of Iran, China, Turkey, Russia, N. Korea) or C. Are relying on creating a military of machine operators that only know how to press a button, fly drones and say "Yes (whatever pronoun you pick this week as Sir will surely be outlawed)".

Seeing that a metric ton of hard-F Marines were driven back by the Chinese human wave at Chosin Reservoir - back at one of the peaks of US military power - does not instill confidence in a military being purged of true warriors facing much of the same...

No disrespect to those men. I've met some of the Frozen Chosin and they are the kind of men we wish we still had around. Only seeking to juxtapose those types of fighters vs what we are looking at now facing similar odds. God forbid it comes to that.

I think there's something to be said about the whole wokification and option C above (the drone operators etc). Not only the drones but all the cyber warfare specialists too. These are nerdy hacker-types that, like drone operators, sit behind a big flat screen and program programs. The DOD has invested a lot into this space. I think that has a lot to do with these changes. But, flying a drone or hacking a remote server is not the same thing as digging a fighting position or a 20 mile force march. Its not the same as carrying a crew served weapon from one side of the room to the other let alone doing that for 10-12 miles. And the man that humps a crew served weapon vs. write code is like night to day. From what I can see China and Russia have also invested in these areas, but, have been able to keep any cultural influences from corrupting their conventional forces. And much of that has to do with those nations being resistant to woke and PC.

As for the frozen Chosin. I too have met many of those men. And the military today, especially the Marine Corps, dishonors their legacy. It is an absolute insult to those men and their sacrifices. Not one of those men would be accepted in today's "woke" culture. Nor would any of those men want to fight for this "woke" culture. I try not to think about this, because, it gets me down. Its as though their legacy that they earned because they fought and died for it was re-distributed to specific groups of people that cried and whined that people like them weren't being clapped at every Fourth of July. It's so immature and selfish.
 

Easy_C

Peacock
Let me pose you this question: This woke-ness continues for approx 4 more years. On a combat effectiveness scale, how do you think we stack up to, take your pick, Russia, Iran, China?
Let me answer the question:

I suspect that 10th Mountain Shoothouse video was far more representative than people think.

10th is a supposedly elite unit. They’re supposed to be one of the most intense non-SF/Ranger/Airborne units in the entire military. And there they are doing room clearing at a level that would embarrass almost any competitive airsoft or paintball team.

If that’s what happened at an elite, high visibility unit that attracts the most aggressive and ambitious leaders then what the hell is going on at every other regular jerkoff unit at places 3ID and 4ID? It’s probably not good.

Even back then the US military’s ability to conduct effective operations was embarrassingly poor due to feckless, risk averse micromanagement style leadership that both made them very slow to react to challenges and prevents the kind of aggressive, off the wall tactics that win engagements from being tried. Combine that with a piss poor level of fundamentals like physical fitness, carbine gunfighter skills (I’ve seen people walk into one day classes and walk out better than most 11Bs), team CQB, and squad tactics and it’s not pretty.

The US establishment seems to actually believe that they can just rely on drone superiority to get the job done. They’re dramatically underestimating now effective the counter-technology is and how quickly the drone advantage can go away.

They also prioritize having a military that’s willing to shoot at their own citizens more than having one that is effective against state level opponents.
 

Handsome Creepy Eel

Owl
Gold Member
Let me answer the question:

I suspect that 10th Mountain Shoothouse video was far more representative than people think.

10th is a supposedly elite unit. They’re supposed to be one of the most intense non-SF/Ranger/Airborne units in the entire military. And there they are doing room clearing at a level that would embarrass almost any competitive airsoft or paintball team.

If that’s what happened at an elite, high visibility unit that attracts the most aggressive and ambitious leaders then what the hell is going on at every other regular jerkoff unit at places 3ID and 4ID? It’s probably not good.

Even back then the US military’s ability to conduct effective operations was embarrassingly poor due to feckless, risk averse micromanagement style leadership that both made them very slow to react to challenges and prevents the kind of aggressive, off the wall tactics that win engagements from being tried. Combine that with a piss poor level of fundamentals like physical fitness, carbine gunfighter skills (I’ve seen people walk into one day classes and walk out better than most 11Bs), team CQB, and squad tactics and it’s not pretty.

The US establishment seems to actually believe that they can just rely on drone superiority to get the job done. They’re dramatically underestimating now effective the counter-technology is and how quickly the drone advantage can go away.

They also prioritize having a military that’s willing to shoot at their own citizens more than having one that is effective against state level opponents.
Maybe they count on nuclear weapons to save them - i.e. the Chinese won't dare to defeat us too badly since there is always the threat of MAD in the background?
 

Easy_C

Peacock
Maybe. Since nuclear weapons have almost completely vanished from foreign policy discussions besides Iran fear mongering (which is aimed at civilians, not anyone involved with military or other FP aspects) and the change from “major issue” to “nobody cares” happened almost overnight in the early 2010s is that nuclear missiles have become an obsolete technology and they can be destroyed in flight. There’s a lot of potential ways this could be the case.
 

Towgunner

Kingfisher
The US establishment seems to actually believe that they can just rely on drone superiority to get the job done. They’re dramatically underestimating now effective the counter-technology is and how quickly the drone advantage can go away.

This doesn't surprise me. There's an old adage bantered about among the brass, at least the brass I was accustomed too, that goes like this. The US military has a tendency for preparing for the war(s) they just fought. Consider the cold war, namely Vietnam, where the US military engaged in a low intensity conflict but was prepared and trained to fight in western or eastern Europe against the Soviets and massive mechanized infantry and tanks. And so, today, we still kind of have, I suppose, ongoing conflicts in the Middle East that have occupied the US military's attention for decades. Drones proved to be very effective both tactically and for other LIC considerations i.e. collateral damage, precision targeting, minimal US casualties, public relations etc. As we're noticing, such machines due to things like their relative ease of use seems to be driving this wokeification of the military.

If things like racism and cross dressing are now the highest priorities of the military I have very little confidence that this institution will see the obvious, which is that our military is mostly configured to fight unsophisticated insurgents. Maybe that is the plan, since, they seem to want a civil war and no doubt that will be the kind of foe they'll face in America.

Its ironic. When I was in The Basic School (TBS) as a junior Marine Officer, we were still trying to evolve from Vietnam and even large scale conflicts. Their was a vibrant intellectual debate among the officer corps to develop doctrine to handle non-conventional war. We agonized over the Battle of Mogadishu in Somalia. Interestingly, such sand table exercises were particularly frustrating because there really wasn't a good answer and I think the senior officers knew that too. I'm sure such things have been worked out by now, or maybe not. But, what I can say is that these very long conflicts, Iraq and Afghanistan, have likely influenced doctrine and policy in a big way.

Importantly, fighting men wearing pajamas with 100 year old Enfield rifles (left over from the British invasion), is not going to be the same as fighting China or Russia or even Iran.
 

Easy_C

Peacock
Even assuming they’ll just be fighting an unsophisticated domestic insurgency is a really, really, bad assumption to make. Russia has already stated they would send support to a domestic insurgency so you’re no longer dealing with with yahoo rednecks armed with ARs. You’d be dealing with organized rednecks armed with MANPADS.

And in a lot of US AOs they’re gonna know the air support is coming long before you can see them on a drone. Drones don’t work particularly well when you’ve got a forest canopy as think as you get in places like Appalachia or Louisiana.
 
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I've met Jack Poso years ago. I try to support the right to a degree and at the time I bought one of his books. He was at an event with Cerno, Phil Haney (RIP), and Ivan Raiklin (former Green Beret). I understand they have to be careful with what they say on social media but at least they address certain topics like radical Islam.

There's so many things wrong with America. Let's keep working to improve it.

"Even assuming they’ll just be fighting an unsophisticated domestic insurgency is a really, really, bad assumption to make. Russia has already stated they would send support to a domestic insurgency so you’re no longer dealing with with yahoo rednecks armed with ARs. You’d be dealing with organized rednecks armed with MANPADS."

Could someone give me a source to this? If you all recall there was that classic 4chan red team planner post that claimed this. I can believe it. One of the world's greatest militaries arming and training Johnny Teabagger could tip the scales.
 
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