Woman Engineer Says We Need More Women In STEM, Her Bridge Collapses And Kills People

[Simeon_Strangelight]

The suspension cables and the tower at the top of the bridge were mainly ornamental.

The bridge design is also extremely heavy with lots of concrete. To be honest - they were lucky that it collapsed at such an early stage. If it had been full with students in rush-hour, then dozens might have died.

The bridge design was frankly risky for no reason at all. Then they add suspension cables mainly for design purposes? Why not have a suspension bridge that is both cheaper and well-tested? It would look like that anyway in the end.

The entire bridge fully was dependent on two cables on each side holding up the full concrete structure. Bridges are not projects where you field-test risky new designs on some kind of whim.

 

[Dusty]

Respect the patriarchy.

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[Dusty]

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[Simeon_Strangelight]

The company deleted their Twitter account and also officially denied that the woman above had any hand in the bridge construction.

And hey - it could be true, but the optics of pushing women to the front and letting them blabber on about art in STEM (calling it STEAM now) is just terrible.

I worked with engineering units in the military. Some of their makeshift wooden bridges lasted decades and were later used by the population.

Seriously - I see no reason for such convoluted heavy designs for a pedestrian bridge. Even the argument of speedy on-site construction is moot, since this is not some kind of financial or industrial hub that might result in in millions of losses to the economy if they have to divert the traffic or put up temporary support columns.

It's tantamount to a doctor going up to you and saying: "There is an easy, well-tried, safe and cheap method of doing the surgery on you. However we received some generous government funding and are going for an experimental trial surgery that might leave you dead or permanently brain-damaged for life. Here sign the release form, so that we can harvest your organs just in case. Because you know - as women we are putting a sprinkle of Art into STEM."

 

[Off The Reservation]

The company deleted their Twitter account and also officially denied that the woman above had any hand in the bridge construction.

And hey - it could be true, but the optics of pushing women to the front and letting them blabber on about art in STEM (calling it STEAM now) is just terrible.

I worked with engineering units in the military. Some of their makeshift wooden bridges lasted decades and were later used by the population.

Seriously - I see no reason for such convoluted heavy designs for a pedestrian bridge. Even the argument of speedy on-site construction is moot, since this is not some kind of financial or industrial hub that might result in in millions of losses to the economy if they have to divert the traffic or put up temporary support columns.

It's tantamount to a doctor going up to you and saying: "There is an easy, well-tried, safe and cheap method of doing the surgery on you. However we received some generous government funding and are going for an experimental trial surgery that might leave you dead or permanently brain-damaged for life. Here sign the release form, so that we can harvest your organs just in case. Because you know - as women we are putting a sprinkle of Art into STEM."

Excellent video good find. Let them keep scrambling, it doesn't bring back the dead and only makes them look more stupid.

Government campus, dangerous government built road, government special bridge project, Obama style redistribution through grants and contract awards... Paid for by you.

It's funny how this incident hurts the LOUDEST feminists in some strange way. The new answer to them is "Can you build a bridge, can you do anything useful? " Ok then shut up.

 

[Kurgan]

I would hold off on blaming her for the bridge collapse, seems like it was a new experimental construction type designed by academics that didnt realize how much instructions get messed up.

If it was experimental, why didn't they shore the ever living daylights out of this thing, or do a small-scale reproduction safely away from a live worksite? It is beyond belief how these things ever get greenlighted.

It was experimental alright, but not the first time applied. Dozens of similar construction designs were used with the same method before.

Maybe the misogynist math truly was at fault.



"How do numbers make you feel?????"

Even if the women put in PR were not at fault this time around - sooner or later this anti-science, anti-meritocracy, diversity affirmative action will let more than small bridges crumble. If you think that all this agenda pushing will be without consequences, then you are mistaken.

I'm surprised the writers on the Simpsons did that given that Matt Groening and the writers are pretty liberal (read Matt's Life In Hell comics for proof of this)

 

[Paracelsus]

Respect the patriarchy.

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I say respect making people own the risks they foist on others, which practice humanity observed for much of its history. For some reason we decided suing people and allowing them to hide behind corporations or serve short periods in jails was a better way of doing things.

The Romans forced bridge builders to spend time with their families under the bridges they built. That's why the motherfuckers are still standing.

 

[Off The Reservation]

RE: Woman Engineer Says

Where is David Hoaoag when we need him most to tell us what to think and do?

:tard:

Seriously though there was one man who I wish had been alive to analyze this. He was a structural engineer and Leica photographer / blogger whose explanations of building collapses based on photographic evidence or in person visit were second to none, the late Bob Arihood.

Here is an example: http://neithermorenorless.blogspot.com/2008/03/crane-collapse-at-303-east-51st-street.html

Unlike the feminist anti-math redistributionist views in the STEAM program, is that these incidents can be fully known and explained. They are not "some mystery" or some act of god. I am sure many now involved in the FIU bridge are now thinking "well we did the best we could it could not be helped" of some such garbage.

 

[Papaya]

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[infowarrior1]

The suspension cables and the tower at the top of the bridge were mainly ornamental.

The bridge design is also extremely heavy with lots of concrete. To be honest - they were lucky that it collapsed at such an early stage. If it had been full with students in rush-hour, then dozens might have died.

The bridge design was frankly risky for no reason at all. Then they add suspension cables mainly for design purposes? Why not have a suspension bridge that is both cheaper and well-tested? It would look like that anyway in the end.

The entire bridge fully was dependent on two cables on each side holding up the full concrete structure. Bridges are not projects where you field-test risky new designs on some kind of whim.

The Roman bridges manages to be both aesthetically pleasing and well functioning.

This bridge manages to be neither.

 

[Hell_Is_Like_Newark]

To which I add, we shouldn't push people into areas they aren't terribly interested.

I am in my late 40s. At 19 I went to an engineering college. The ratio of men to women previous to me being there was 10:1 or greater for undergrads. The year I went in was the year there was a HUGE push to get 'more women into engineering': Heavy recruitment with a degree of affirmative action. The ratio was closer to 5:1 my freshman year.

The results were not pretty. Two examples that were typical:

A woman I shared an apartment with (not a GF) was one of those 'recruited'. In her mind, it was her "duty" to 'girl power' to get a degree in STEM. That mind seed was planted of course by the feminists that pushed this nonsense. Now this woman was not dumb by any means. She was a competent student. However, she was miserable. She kept changing her major (mechanical, civil, chemical) to find SOMETHING in engineering that she didn't hate doing. She eventually dropped out, heavily in debt (despite generous financial 'women in engineering' grants). Worse, she wasted three years of her life.

A second example is a woman I unfortunately got paired with for a design project in senior year. This chick couldn't find her own over-sized ass with the aid of a flashlight, a hunting dog, and an AWAC. She got to where she was because she was good at memorizing, then regurgitating data on tests. In reality, she understood nothing.

Our design project required tackling an issue that wasn't conveniently spelled out in a text book. She was useless and should have been failed out. Instead, she got hired by the Cadillac division of General Motors; a job position that was ONLY to be reserved for the top 5% of any class. Being a woman and a minority, she was hired despite having empty space between the ears.

By my senior year, the ratio of men to women was back up near 10:1 due to attrition of the women. The ones that made it through all had jobs waiting for them, despite a horrible job market for engineering grads at the time.

 

[Simeon_Strangelight]

< I know some women who love working in STEM - one statistician who adores poring over scores of statistical data and analyzing that for her banking job. But how likely is that woman in the real world? 1-2% of the female population?

My own mother was an engineer who did calculations on projects similar to the bridge. I don't even bother asking her about this bridge, because it includes a new design project, but my guess is that she would call this construction unnecessarily risky and expensive for a mere pedestrian bridge - to rely on two cables and a very heavy design to hold it up while countless cars and pedestrians are stressing the bridge constantly. Since it is a government spending project, then it should be somewhat aesthetically pleasing according to a tried and tested method. If they want to integrate Wifi and sitting options on the bridge, then this can be easily added later.

I also mentioned that my mom was very good at her job - better than most men. But guess what - after some 10 years on the job she attempted to get out, but could not find anything that would get her similar cash. So she continued with the job while not being overly happy with it. And keep in mind - she was good at it. I don't even want to imagine what women will do who are bestowed with lesser intelligence and abilities. You end up with shitty projects like that are part propaganda, part bravado, part splurging of government funds and part lack of common sense.

 

[PharaohRa]

Women need to go back to the kitchen, and fast. If we can't do it in a civilized manner, then White Sharia it is!

 

[Genghis Khan]

To which I add, we shouldn't push people into areas they aren't terribly interested.

I am in my late 40s. At 19 I went to an engineering college. The ratio of men to women previous to me being there was 10:1 or greater for undergrads. The year I went in was the year there was a HUGE push to get 'more women into engineering': Heavy recruitment with a degree of affirmative action. The ratio was closer to 5:1 my freshman year.

The results were not pretty. Two examples that were typical:

A woman I shared an apartment with (not a GF) was one of those 'recruited'. In her mind, it was her "duty" to 'girl power' to get a degree in STEM. That mind seed was planted of course by the feminists that pushed this nonsense. Now this woman was not dumb by any means. She was a competent student. However, she was miserable. She kept changing her major (mechanical, civil, chemical) to find SOMETHING in engineering that she didn't hate doing. She eventually dropped out, heavily in debt (despite generous financial 'women in engineering' grants). Worse, she wasted three years of her life.

A second example is a woman I unfortunately got paired with for a design project in senior year. This chick couldn't find her own over-sized ass with the aid of a flashlight, a hunting dog, and an AWAC. She got to where she was because she was good at memorizing, then regurgitating data on tests. In reality, she understood nothing.

Our design project required tackling an issue that wasn't conveniently spelled out in a text book. She was useless and should have been failed out. Instead, she got hired by the Cadillac division of General Motors; a job position that was ONLY to be reserved for the top 5% of any class. Being a woman and a minority, she was hired despite having empty space between the ears.

By my senior year, the ratio of men to women was back up near 10:1 due to attrition of the women. The ones that made it through all had jobs waiting for them, despite a horrible job market for engineering grads at the time.

My engineering college pulled out new posters for recruitment. For my own department, they showed 4 women and 2 men (mix of undergrad/grad students). In reality, my department is closer to 80% men, 20% women (the top engineering schools typically have slightly better ratios - mostly because they get so many applicants compared to how many they accept, they select a larger portion of women).

Honestly, I find it fucking cruel to falsely represent our departments like that - it makes it seem like women can be engineers just as well as men, when in reality only a minority of women can. Some women are going to come in, thinking our department is dominated by women, and then be surprised they're outnumbered 4-to-1. What's worse is they'll think they're stupid for not being able to compete with men. After all, the posters are supposed to show the top students, and if 4 out of 6 students are women, wow, women must be beating men by a mile. Nope!

 

[Hell_Is_Like_Newark]

Honestly, I find it fucking cruel to falsely represent our departments like that - it makes it seem like women can be engineers just as well as men, when in reality only a minority of women can.

Currently I work with a recent female engineering grad. She is one of the 'rarities': extremely analytical and so far has been very good on her assignments.

Here is the thing about her: She is into science fiction / fantasy, read science fiction comic books as a kid, played Dungeons and Dragons as a kid. Basically, this is a girl who is equipped with a typical male brain you would find in geeky kid (which a fair amount go into STEM). When I work with her, I feel like I am working with someone who is mentally a dude (note: she isn't a dyke).

In the past, I read some articles on male / female brain differences. One theory is that some female fetuses get blasted with elevated levels of testosterone, which changed the brain wiring. The women who result from such pregnancies tend to be tomboys and / or pursue much more male orientated fields (think Madam Currie as a possible example).

The elevated T was more common in non-identical twin pregnancies where one of the fetuses is male. These type of pregnancies became a lot more common with the advent of IVF (2 embryos are often implanted at once).

 

[Parlay44]

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I don’t care what anyone says. Women never really commit to their work. That’s why things like this happen.

If they fail at something it never affects their reputation. They can always say fuck it and pop out some welfare babies and ride the government gravy train.

A man however is forever dependent on and protective of his professional reputation. We can’t afford to make huge mistakes like this.

 

[Simeon_Strangelight]

Good vid explaining the reason for collapse - there seem to have been minor problems with the construction, though it's unclear at this stage whether the design is at fault or the materials did not hold up.

I think that it was simply a shitty design that is too easy to fuck up and we don't even know the long-term effects either.

What if the bridge would have fallen apart 5 years down the line?

 

[Duke Castile]

I just got through hanging out with a tight little 21 yr old at her dorm at this school.

Amazing how uninterested in this event those kids are.

 

[oilbreh]

Good vid explaining the reason for collapse - there seem to have been minor problems with the construction, though it's unclear at this stage whether the design is at fault or the materials did not hold up.

I think that it was simply a shitty design that is too easy to fuck up and we don't even know the long-term effects either.

What if the bridge would have fallen apart 5 years down the line?

This is what I said earlier. It was an experimental design - and by that I mean most people involved have not built at least ten of these. Post tensioning is not that common, let alone moving it around. The tensioning guys should have known about engineering strain aka the diameter starts to thing out on a tensioned rod before it fails. Due to the break down of communication due to subcontracting and further subcontracting everything on these projects, if its not something that has done a thousand times before turns into a shit show.

 

[Genghis Khan]

What I find most fascinating: that this actually happened in the US.

The tensioning guys should have known about engineering strain aka the diameter starts to thing out on a tensioned rod before it fails.

(Oilbreh's comments)

This may be very, very preliminary and I may be completely wrong, but this could be an early sign of things to come: worsening quality control of engineering projects.

Numerous reasons abound:

* more women in engineering field

* quality of engineers dropping - one of my professors in undergrad showed me a plot (about a decade ago) - average score on test versus year. He'd taught the same course for 3 decades, administering basically the same tests over and over again. The average score was dropping, slowly, but surely

* loss of incentives for engineers to do quality work - slightly hard to focus full-time on job when you also have to spend time on self-improvement and game

* cannibalization of engineering fields - name of the game today is computer science/AI/machine learning/etc. What this implies (from my experience) is that a lot of quality kids are now in CompSci majors instead of more traditional engineering fields such as civil engineering

It's probably a combo of these fours, and more. And there's probably also some feedback loop, e.g.:

fewer people going into engineering in general --> fewer students in Civil Engineering --> departments have to make classes easier to attract more students --> attract more women --> being an engineer doesn't make you an attractive man to women (hypergamy always looking for something better than her) --> fewer people going into engineering in general, and so forth

I would not be surprised, though I hope I'm wrong, to see more engineering failures in the future. This could range from "simple" projects such as bridges to chemical industry disasters to Intel chips failing, etc.