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<blockquote data-quote="Jaszczurka" data-source="post: 1337833" data-attributes="member: 17110"><p>A couple observations about this SMV micro-economics exchange.</p><p></p><p>Girls don't base their entire metric on the financial/emotional support. It's a combination of the man's looks, his social status, and the support. For example, women will pretend that they are somehow virtuous if they're an attorney and marry a low wage schoolteacher, but a schoolteacher has social status. Similar to high ranking enlisted (non-officer) men (such as sergeant). At one time, a half century ago, sergeants largely married working class women but as the supply of well-to-do young men dried up and career women flooded the market, such men now are higher SMV. Another factor for women many ignore is the "serendipity factor". There's little status for women to brag to other women that she married a guy she got off of the net. </p><p></p><p>I think that the dating site's affect on women's ego isn't consistent. Yes, a woman's mailbox floods with spam and she goes out on a few dozen dates, but these are often low quality where she gets hit with cut-and-paste comeons, guys who lie in their profiles, and top-grade betas who act like chad alpha PUAs. Women who write on the subject often say the process depresses them and they drop out. </p><p></p><p>Feminists often claim that men are the more shallow sex wanting "the hottest girl he can get" but women also put looks high up particularly on online dating. There's classic studies (no doubt already cited on this forum) where on Tinder, girls viewed men who are 8's to be 5's while men's was largely consistent (they would be happy to date a plain girl if he was also plain looking.)</p><p></p><p>There was even a film about this that won the Academy Award on the topic: "Marty". </p><p></p><p>Combining that they want to date "up" in looks AND income AND emotiona support is quite a matrix of high demands for women particularly since feminism has lowered men's effective wages in the past half century. </p><p></p><p>Ironically, as I went through my 20's trying to figure out what I could get out of a relationship, I found that my desire to compromise on looks in exchange for a woman who was more mature in dating (would she pay for her share of the date being one main factor I considered), didn't net me any benefit. Namely, it was just as easy for me to date a prettier women and buy her a nice family restaurant meal as it was a plain one. Heck, oftentimes the plain women were MORE demanding looking for a handsome, wealthy guy to up her SMV. </p><p></p><p>I realized this in a moment I remember almost as if yesterday, but 25 years ago, when I went out on an internet date with a woman who was very plain to me (on the bottom end of the scale) and was willing to pay her way and was very reasonable. Earlier, I would have jumped on the opportunity and married her but it occurred to me: It was just too much of a tradeoff. For a woman who was just not a bother, who would at least pay her own way and not be an emotional basket case, I'd have to hit the bottom on my looks demands. I decided to compromise on everything else, at least by a LITTLE bit.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jaszczurka, post: 1337833, member: 17110"] A couple observations about this SMV micro-economics exchange. Girls don't base their entire metric on the financial/emotional support. It's a combination of the man's looks, his social status, and the support. For example, women will pretend that they are somehow virtuous if they're an attorney and marry a low wage schoolteacher, but a schoolteacher has social status. Similar to high ranking enlisted (non-officer) men (such as sergeant). At one time, a half century ago, sergeants largely married working class women but as the supply of well-to-do young men dried up and career women flooded the market, such men now are higher SMV. Another factor for women many ignore is the "serendipity factor". There's little status for women to brag to other women that she married a guy she got off of the net. I think that the dating site's affect on women's ego isn't consistent. Yes, a woman's mailbox floods with spam and she goes out on a few dozen dates, but these are often low quality where she gets hit with cut-and-paste comeons, guys who lie in their profiles, and top-grade betas who act like chad alpha PUAs. Women who write on the subject often say the process depresses them and they drop out. Feminists often claim that men are the more shallow sex wanting "the hottest girl he can get" but women also put looks high up particularly on online dating. There's classic studies (no doubt already cited on this forum) where on Tinder, girls viewed men who are 8's to be 5's while men's was largely consistent (they would be happy to date a plain girl if he was also plain looking.) There was even a film about this that won the Academy Award on the topic: "Marty". Combining that they want to date "up" in looks AND income AND emotiona support is quite a matrix of high demands for women particularly since feminism has lowered men's effective wages in the past half century. Ironically, as I went through my 20's trying to figure out what I could get out of a relationship, I found that my desire to compromise on looks in exchange for a woman who was more mature in dating (would she pay for her share of the date being one main factor I considered), didn't net me any benefit. Namely, it was just as easy for me to date a prettier women and buy her a nice family restaurant meal as it was a plain one. Heck, oftentimes the plain women were MORE demanding looking for a handsome, wealthy guy to up her SMV. I realized this in a moment I remember almost as if yesterday, but 25 years ago, when I went out on an internet date with a woman who was very plain to me (on the bottom end of the scale) and was willing to pay her way and was very reasonable. Earlier, I would have jumped on the opportunity and married her but it occurred to me: It was just too much of a tradeoff. For a woman who was just not a bother, who would at least pay her own way and not be an emotional basket case, I'd have to hit the bottom on my looks demands. I decided to compromise on everything else, at least by a LITTLE bit. [/QUOTE]
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