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<blockquote data-quote="Jaszczurka" data-source="post: 1337836" data-attributes="member: 17110">It's funny that feminism sort of is correct in that women were treated as chattel by human civilization, but this is because men largely were in competition with each other for both survival and for possession of women.&nbsp; I read that at the onset of civilization, something like 1/100 guys were procreating as large harems were procured for the alpha males (sort of like today) but that didn't last very long probably for the same reason today: the beta males of the time did the absolute minimum because like with communism, why work harder than you have to when society gives you the minimum?&nbsp; It's a debate I also have with free market economists about the minimum wage when I tell them that they also wind up with minimum effort which is why so many service workers are unreliable.&nbsp; You get what you pay for.Women evolved (or created of course <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /> to want men to gatekeep them, to protect them, and to be a trusted advisor.&nbsp; In a harem, she's cattle so women prefer marriage where she monopolizes a single man.&nbsp; But since women have led such protected existences throughout history, they lack the ability to make this decision rationally most of the time.&nbsp; As men, project this on them, but the PUAs know better in that &quot;gaming&quot; women works best by short-circuiting their dopamine centers.Our modern western culture is an anachronism in several ways.&nbsp; So-called women's equality requiring a massive welfare state, a &quot;free market&quot; that happily replaces western people with immigrants for quick profits, and a consumer society where people have little connection with each other beyond micro-economics.&nbsp; It's so huge and powerful, that many I talk to don't realize that this isn't the world at large much less history even in this nation.&nbsp; Heck, even my grandmother told me tales of how different things used to be.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Jaszczurka, post: 1337836, member: 17110"] It's funny that feminism sort of is correct in that women were treated as chattel by human civilization, but this is because men largely were in competition with each other for both survival and for possession of women. I read that at the onset of civilization, something like 1/100 guys were procreating as large harems were procured for the alpha males (sort of like today) but that didn't last very long probably for the same reason today: the beta males of the time did the absolute minimum because like with communism, why work harder than you have to when society gives you the minimum? It's a debate I also have with free market economists about the minimum wage when I tell them that they also wind up with minimum effort which is why so many service workers are unreliable. You get what you pay for. Women evolved (or created of course :-) to want men to gatekeep them, to protect them, and to be a trusted advisor. In a harem, she's cattle so women prefer marriage where she monopolizes a single man. But since women have led such protected existences throughout history, they lack the ability to make this decision rationally most of the time. As men, project this on them, but the PUAs know better in that "gaming" women works best by short-circuiting their dopamine centers. Our modern western culture is an anachronism in several ways. So-called women's equality requiring a massive welfare state, a "free market" that happily replaces western people with immigrants for quick profits, and a consumer society where people have little connection with each other beyond micro-economics. It's so huge and powerful, that many I talk to don't realize that this isn't the world at large much less history even in this nation. Heck, even my grandmother told me tales of how different things used to be. [/QUOTE]

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