WW3 starts. Do you enlist?

[EasyMoney]

There was a good line in the new movie Jack Reacher about this:

I'm paraphrasing here....

"There are only 4 types of people who join the military. 1) Family business - they feel compelled to continue the tradition. 2) Patriots - they wanna fight for the flag. 3) People who've got no other options, and lastly, people who want a legal means of being a killer."

My dad was in Vietnam and he said exactly the same thing to me many times. He was drafted and his message to me was that I should very clearly know which option of those 4 I fit into, and if I don't fit into any I shouldn't be the military - draft or no draft.

I took the red pill on politics long before sex and women, so fuck getting drafted to fight to make the world easier to extract resource out of for our ruling elite.

I think the way to avoid it, if you can make it, is to go law enforcement in that scenario.

 

[Lemmo]

If there were an American civil war with one side clearly being reactionary, I would fight for that side. Otherwise, no way.

 

[Aliblahba]

Enlisting in WW3= Beta
Starting WW3= Alpha

 

[finton_the_toole]

Perhaps it has already started. Syria is a proxy war with US/Saudi on one side and Iran/Russia on the other. The question is what happens when it spills over into iraq, Turkey and Iran.

 

[Ovid]

I'd only fight if it were clear that one side was a) clearly wronged, b) standing for something worth fighting for, i.e. a repeal of liberalism and feminism, and c) stood a reasonable chance of success. There hasn't been an unambiguously just war fought by the US in a very long time.

 

[PompeyChris]

Fighting on the behalf of any government is probably one of the dumbest things you can do.

I would not fight on behalf of the US government, but if we were being attacked, and there was a serious chance of us being invaded, I would enlist. Otherwise, no, I would not.

I actually think about this sometimes. I could see Kim Jong Ill's son trying to prove himself and invade S. Korea, and then us coming to back S. Korea up. Then China steps in for N. Korea, and we have a huge ordeal on our hands.

I also wonder who would fight with us if there was a war with China? Would our allies sit back if they felt there was a real chance of us losing? I mean, we didn't exactly jump right in to help anyone out during WWI or WWII. We sat back for quite a while.

As a brit i am 99% sure we'd be in within a matter of weeks. Our government values the relationship with the US a lot (not so much now that Blair isn't in charge).

There is also NATO. If America went to war, then countires such as UK, France, Canada, Germany would instantly be involved.

I've been thinking about whether i'd enlist or not if North Korea goes crazy. I was planning on joining the Paras a few years back and plan on joining the TA within the next 10 years.

 

[kosko]

Fighting on the behalf of any government is probably one of the dumbest things you can do.

I would not fight on behalf of the US government, but if we were being attacked, and there was a serious chance of us being invaded, I would enlist. Otherwise, no, I would not.

I actually think about this sometimes. I could see Kim Jong Ill's son trying to prove himself and invade S. Korea, and then us coming to back S. Korea up. Then China steps in for N. Korea, and we have a huge ordeal on our hands.

I also wonder who would fight with us if there was a war with China? Would our allies sit back if they felt there was a real chance of us losing? I mean, we didn't exactly jump right in to help anyone out during WWI or WWII. We sat back for quite a while.

As a brit i am 99% sure we'd be in within a matter of weeks. Our government values the relationship with the US a lot (not so much now that Blair isn't in charge).

There is also NATO. If America went to war, then countires such as UK, France, Canada, Germany would instantly be involved.

I've been thinking about whether i'd enlist or not if North Korea goes crazy. I was planning on joining the Paras a few years back and plan on joining the TA within the next 10 years.

I think NATO might crack in whiten 10 years.

 

[PompeyChris]

Fighting on the behalf of any government is probably one of the dumbest things you can do.

I would not fight on behalf of the US government, but if we were being attacked, and there was a serious chance of us being invaded, I would enlist. Otherwise, no, I would not.

I actually think about this sometimes. I could see Kim Jong Ill's son trying to prove himself and invade S. Korea, and then us coming to back S. Korea up. Then China steps in for N. Korea, and we have a huge ordeal on our hands.

I also wonder who would fight with us if there was a war with China? Would our allies sit back if they felt there was a real chance of us losing? I mean, we didn't exactly jump right in to help anyone out during WWI or WWII. We sat back for quite a while.

As a brit i am 99% sure we'd be in within a matter of weeks. Our government values the relationship with the US a lot (not so much now that Blair isn't in charge).

There is also NATO. If America went to war, then countires such as UK, France, Canada, Germany would instantly be involved.

I've been thinking about whether i'd enlist or not if North Korea goes crazy. I was planning on joining the Paras a few years back and plan on joining the TA within the next 10 years.

I think NATO might crack in whiten 10 years.

That's a possibility although I think it is unlikely.

With the exception of the US it is hugely beneficial to the other members. It provides collective security from both external and internal conflicts.

For example, if Germany chose to go to war with a country like Romania for un-just reasons then the other members of NATO would step in - stops the bullying.

And then if Iran chose to attack Turkey they would have to deal with the combined force of NATO. A deterrent.

 

[svend]

Under no circumstances would I risk so much as a fingernail for my country.

 

[kosko]

Fighting on the behalf of any government is probably one of the dumbest things you can do.

I would not fight on behalf of the US government, but if we were being attacked, and there was a serious chance of us being invaded, I would enlist. Otherwise, no, I would not.

I actually think about this sometimes. I could see Kim Jong Ill's son trying to prove himself and invade S. Korea, and then us coming to back S. Korea up. Then China steps in for N. Korea, and we have a huge ordeal on our hands.

I also wonder who would fight with us if there was a war with China? Would our allies sit back if they felt there was a real chance of us losing? I mean, we didn't exactly jump right in to help anyone out during WWI or WWII. We sat back for quite a while.

As a brit i am 99% sure we'd be in within a matter of weeks. Our government values the relationship with the US a lot (not so much now that Blair isn't in charge).

There is also NATO. If America went to war, then countires such as UK, France, Canada, Germany would instantly be involved.

I've been thinking about whether i'd enlist or not if North Korea goes crazy. I was planning on joining the Paras a few years back and plan on joining the TA within the next 10 years.

I think NATO might crack in whiten 10 years.

That's a possibility although I think it is unlikely.

With the exception of the US it is hugely beneficial to the other members. It provides collective security from both external and internal conflicts.

For example, if Germany chose to go to war with a country like Romania for un-just reasons then the other members of NATO would step in - stops the bullying.

And then if Iran chose to attack Turkey they would have to deal with the combined force of NATO. A deterrent.

And that is my point. The USA is bankrolling and controlling NATO the rest of the countries just put in exorbitant fees into its operations offering minimal support. The logistical and tactical support systems can be arranged on treaty's on a case by case basis. The small client states in NATO will see that its a double edged sword because as NATO/USA is chasing new campaigns they are all in sensitive areas which undermine those nations Security. Turkey is the greatest example of that. Iran is not going to attack Turkey or anybody else, it never has in it's history. But a Iran/Turkey (NATO) conflict would simply be the end of Turkey.

If blowback situations start popping off in client fringe NATO areas then this essentially becomes a burden for the USA. The the opposite view is that these small states even with the assurance of NATO protection still have to deal with hostilities leading up to a intervention (if one even comes) and then after all alone. Plus whiten NATO itself countries such as France or Germany whom have their own military ideals which differ from the larger NATO ideals.

Russia itself has a bunch of treaty's and pacts with its old USSR client states and beyond. The homogeneous Defense block is out-dated and does not work anymore you have to approach things diversely with many partners and players. To me Economic partnerships mean more then Military alliances. Economic ones hold more weight and have more benefits (usually) for both sides in the partnership. For instance even though Mexico has no military treaty with the USA/NATO the USA actively tries to promote (or diss-courage depending on how you view it) safety and stability in the drug-lord parts of Mexico because it has a direct effect economically to them. This is why the Shanghai Corporation Organization has a ton of teeth because these nations put economic interests first before defense. Then because of that approach defense just comes as a cost to protect your economic interests, and thus creates a "military alliance" by default. Its a more realistic way to go about things. NATO is for the stone age, and just looks like a bunch of old white guys in suits whom meet every few years to play golf.

Many scholars say if you want world peace then get everybody trading with each other (not Free trade, but via Fair trade). Nobody would want to fuck their economic partnerships up and bombs would not drop.

 

[Tomo]

I'd sooner flee the country than voluntarily serve myself up as cannon fodder for the bankers, corporations and corrupt politicians that have run this country into the ground.

This.

 

[Aliblahba]

Under no circumstances would I risk so much as a fingernail for my country.

I hate breaking a nail too. It picks my cashmere sweater and meggings. :tongue:

I'd sooner flee the country than voluntarily serve myself up as cannon fodder for the bankers, corporations and corrupt politicians that have run this country into the ground.

This.

Aren't all govt's corrupt? Besides, what happens if you flee and then get conscripted into their service? All is fair in love and war. I'd hate to become a soldier in the N. Korean Army when the U.S. Marines hit the shore.

 

[Tomo]

I'd sooner flee the country than voluntarily serve myself up as cannon fodder for the bankers, corporations and corrupt politicians that have run this country into the ground.

This.

Aren't all govt's corrupt? Besides, what happens if you flee and then get conscripted into their service? All is fair in love and war. I'd hate to become a soldier in the N. Korean Army when the U.S. Marines hit the shore.

I know what you mean, I was just agreeing that in general terms I wouldn't want to die just so some corporation gets wealthy from arms sales and I also wouldn't want to die on behalf of international finance. There's a great book called Confessions of an Economic Hitman, you've probably heard of it. It makes you question why many wars/invasions happen.

 

[Rex]

In any case, would you voluntarily enlist in your country's military if WW3 did happen right now?

Fuck no. Too much pussy left behind to plunder. We all know what military wives and gfs are like

 

[Giovonny]

No.

But, I would encourage all other men to enlist.

I would stay home with the women.

Hopefully, most of the men will kill each other and I will to re-populate the world by myself and with the help of a few friends!

:king:

 

[choichoi]

Finished all my initial training a week and a half ago. Shit sucked ass except for the 2 off-post weekend passes we got. Better than being another broke unemployed college-grad living at home with his mother. I'm still wondering whether I made the right choice but it seemed like the only choice with long-term benefits (not being another TEFL-er) to make at the time.

I'm pretty sure that this will put me on the path to being an independent and functional adult and not a kiddult and the money in my account is something to be thankful for too.

 

[A War You Cannot Win]

I'm still an active duty Infantry Marine. I'm fucked.

 

[Frontenac]

I'm almost finished a degree that has taken me four years up to this point. But if my country was invaded tomorrow morning, I'd be on a troop truck by the afternoon.

 

[A War You Cannot Win]

I don't really care about this country anymore, in fact I am rooting for it to go down in flames, but I wouldn't abandon my brothers. I will be fighting because they are fighting. It's just unfortunate what we will be fighting for.

 

[Kickb]

I would attempt to get a job controlling a drone or two.

Or work as an airman.