Yale Removes Name of White Male From Building and Renames After A Woman

[All or Nothing]

My problem with removing Calhoun's name is the principle of it. His name was removed because he owned slaves and defended slavery even though he was a significant statesman of the time who accomplished many things beyond owning slaves.

By that logic, we should burn up the Declaration of Independence because it was written by a slave holder, Thomas Jefferson. Also, let it be known the irony that the man who wrote "All men are created equal", again Thomas Jefferson, simultaneously owned hundreds upon hundreds of slaves. Just goes to show how the ideals we aspire to may fall flat in the face of the reality in which we live in.

Should we also eliminate any memory of George Washington, the man who fought off the British and laid the path for forming the United States of America as its first eminent leader? He owned slaves too!

Also let's not forget Abraham Lincoln's views on black people:

More problematic were Lincoln’s views on race. He held opinions not very different from those of the majority of his racist countrymen. Even if slavery was wrong, “there is a physical difference between the white and black races that will for ever forbid the two races from living together on terms of social and political equality.” His solution was a form of ethnic cleansing: shipping blacks off to Liberia, or Haiti, or Central America — anywhere as long as it wasn’t the United States.

https://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/12/10/abraham-lincoln-racist/?_r=0

Should we tear down the Lincoln Memorial because he promoted white supremacist views? He may have emancipated the slaves and led the country forward towards greater racial equality, but his own personal views were racist, maybe that's enough for us to forget he existed.

Or how about Franklin Delano Roosevelt who wrote this gem:

I hereby further authorize and direct the Secretary of War and the said Military Commanders to take such other steps as he or the appropriate Military Commander may deem advisable to enforce compliance with the restrictions applicable to each Military area here in above authorized to be designated, including the use of Federal troops and other Federal Agencies, with authority to accept assistance of state and local agencies.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_9066

This is the executive order that led to Japanese people being stripped of property and thrown into internment camps during WWII. Should we eliminate every vestige of FDR, the man who literally beat back Hitler and saved the Jews from near extinction, because of one executive order?

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Whitewashing bothers me because it completely glosses over the fact that man is neither truly good or bad, man is just man (btw this goes for all men across racial lines). Man can be simultaneously self-interested to the exclusion of other people, while still contributing to the greater good of society.

To whitewash history is to try and reject our collective past rather than to learn from it and embrace it as a reflection of our modern society.

 

[rw95]

^@Arminius If we remove that premise, we'll find what we find now, that blacks on average don't do too well. I know this is something which the alt-right creams itself over. Just look at every Heartiste article or tweet.

Of course, once we point out that whites are not on top of this "natural hierarchy," then the triggering intensifies.

 

[stugatz]

This is the reason I love history - it's full of narrative destroying characters like the president who followed Lincoln, Andrew Johnson. He was such a bad president but a fascinating character.

He was a very racist Southerner who had proudly owned slaves. He ended up giving them up because he hated the Confederates with such a bitter passion. (After the war, he was known to suggest sending blacks back to Africa, usually not long after he'd gone on some long tirade about how we should hang all of the Confederate generals. Thank God he eventually ended the war smoothly enough.)

 

[weambulance]

^@Arminius If we remove that premise, we'll find what we find now, that blacks on average don't do too well. I know this is something which the alt-right creams itself over. Just look at every Heartiste article or tweet.

If course, once we point out that whites are not on top of this "natural hierarchy," then the triggering intensifies.

...Because the alt right is nothing but a bunch of white supremacists who can't handle reality. And Heartiste is the #1 spokesman.

You could be a writer for that show When We Rise, bud.

 

[rw95]

^@Arminius If we remove that premise, we'll find what we find now, that blacks on average don't do too well. I know this is something which the alt-right creams itself over. Just look at every Heartiste article or tweet.

If course, once we point out that whites are not on top of this "natural hierarchy," then the triggering intensifies.

...Because the alt right is nothing but a bunch of white supremacists who can't handle reality. And Heartiste is the #1 spokesman.

You could be a writer for that show When We Rise, bud.

Jared Taylor. Vox Day. John Derbyshire. Fred Reed. Ramzpaul.

Would you like more names, or will these suffice for now?

 

[Arminius]

^@Arminius If we remove that premise, we'll find what we find now, that blacks on average don't do too well. I know this is something which the alt-right creams itself over. Just look at every Heartiste article or tweet.

If course, once we point out that whites are not on top of this "natural hierarchy," then the triggering intensifies.

The Jared Taylor wing of the white nationalist movement is perfectly fine with that. In my estimation, there are very few whites who want to rule over non-whites. The primary desire is for non-whites to go away, or conversely, for whites to be able to go away from non-whites.

What whites of virtually every persuasion are sick and tired of is being blamed, vilified, demonized, for the failures of other groups of people. The races - taken as whole entities - are different, the races aren't equal. Stop blaming us for inherited characteristics over which nobody has any control.

 

[rw95]

^And I don't know if you've noticed, but Jared Taylor is falling out of favor with the alt-right, largely BECAUSE he's ok with this, or more specifically that he does not hate Jews and considers them to be white.

If I recall correctly, he is also married to a Jewish woman, and you know what that means.

 

[weambulance]

^@Arminius If we remove that premise, we'll find what we find now, that blacks on average don't do too well. I know this is something which the alt-right creams itself over. Just look at every Heartiste article or tweet.

If course, once we point out that whites are not on top of this "natural hierarchy," then the triggering intensifies.

...Because the alt right is nothing but a bunch of white supremacists who can't handle reality. And Heartiste is the #1 spokesman.

You could be a writer for that show When We Rise, bud.

Jared Taylor. Vox Day. John Derbyshire. Fred Reed. Ramzpaul.

Would you like more names, or will these suffice for now?

Listing names doesn't exactly support your thesis that white people are going to cry if we don't have the best IQ as a group. Certainly I have never seen Vox Day or Ramzpaul making excuses for such a "deficiency" or pretending it doesn't exist. I don't follow the others.

I've never met or read material from anyone who actually understood IQ differences between groups who didn't know, and state, that asians have a higher average IQ than whites. Thus, until you can support your case, I conclude that you just made this "natural hierarchy triggering" shit up because you have a problem with people who are pro-white. And I'm fairly sure, without going to check, that this isn't the first time you've tried such a tactic.

 

[Kabal]

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[rw95]

^I'm not talking about east Asians at all. I'm talking about the Ashkenazi.
And I'll talk about whatever I damn well please, thank you very much. Roosh values free speech, does he not? I'm exercising that right.

 

[weambulance]

So you admit your point is bullshit, because apparently white supremacists don't care about asians doing better than whites in IQ tests despite getting "triggered" if they aren't on top of the "natural hierarchy". Jews are rarely broken out in general discussions of IQ because they're a tiny group, globally.

And I didn't try to silence you at all, so I don't know what the fuck you're talking about now. I just pointed out that you have a tendency to make shit up because of your personal biases. I think we've conclusively proved that now.

Thanks for playing.

 

[churros]

If you want to learn more about why whites are so often attacked in popular culture and education--and you would have to be enormously ignorant or an outright liar to claim they aren't--learn about the Frankfurt School. If you don't, you simply cannot discuss the matter because you lack the requisite knowledge.

May I respectfully point out the irony of this comment. Nobody on this forum has read the Frankfurt School. Nor are they reading it in universities. The scapegoat you are looking for is Judith Butler.

 

[rw95]

So you admit your point is bullshit, because apparently white supremacists don't care about asians doing better than whites in IQ tests despite getting "triggered" if they aren't on top of the "natural hierarchy". Jews are rarely broken out in general discussions of IQ because they're a tiny group, globally.

And I didn't try to silence you at all, so I don't know what the fuck you're talking about now. I just pointed out that you have a tendency to make shit up because of your personal biases. I think we've conclusively proved that now.

Thanks for playing.

What shit am I making up exactly?

Ashkenazi Jews are on average smarter than whites. This is a fact.

In my experience, bring that up to alt-righters and you get a shitstorm of mental gymnastics.

Look no further than this very thread with Nomadbrah.

 

[Tex Cruise]

Becomes race thread....

Becomes IQ thread.....

Should I get the 32 oz big gulp cup out yet?

 

[weambulance]

If you want to learn more about why whites are so often attacked in popular culture and education--and you would have to be enormously ignorant or an outright liar to claim they aren't--learn about the Frankfurt School. If you don't, you simply cannot discuss the matter because you lack the requisite knowledge.

May I respectfully point out the irony of this comment. Nobody on this forum has read the Frankfurt School. Nor are they reading it in universities. The scapegoat you are looking for is Judith Butler.

Is critical theory still taught? Yes. Is political correctness still taught? Yes. Ergo, the reference to the Frankfurt School is not irrelevant. I was not meaning to give a comprehensive lecture on the history of indoctrination in our schools and Judith Butler is less relevant to my point than what I actually referenced.

And I'm not looking for a scapegoat anywhere. Are you claiming that indoctrination in schools is not happening?

 

[Delta]

Right, but....isn't our thinking in the United States today premised upon the idea that each group is exactly equal in intelligence, and in everything else? The idea behind the civil rights movement was that if the legal barriers to black advancement were removed that they would rise to the level of whites in terms of income and educational achievement. Once the legal barriers were removed, blacks would lift themselves out of poverty and as a result the crime rates between the races would equalize, because in this view poverty causes crime.

Except none of this has happened. As one example:

Race gaps in SAT math scores are as big as ever

What you just stated right above me explains so well, so neatly, so Occam's Razor-y, what the liberal Brookings Institution is observing in that article.

If someone begins from the premise that the races are 10,000% equal in every way, nothing, literally nothing, of what he observes around him makes sense, at least not in this country. Blacks (on average, folks, on average) aren't even in the same galaxy as whites or Asians as far as education and test scores, they aren't in the same galaxy as whites or Asians as far as rates of imprisonment, they aren't in the same galaxy as whites or Asians as far as incomes and welfare use, yada yada yada. If the races are equal, and we know they're equal because (((Franz Boas))) told us so, what must account for these differences? White racism! White supremacism! Implicit racial bias in literally everything that has ever existed and exists now!

Ayn Rand (not a fan of her at all) always told people to check their premise whenever something doesn't make sense.

You checked the premise of racial equality very well...but then didn't address the very, very serious implications of removing that premise.

Reading this type of post makes me feel dirty. I feel like a scumbag piece of shit for agreeing with it, yet I can't find a single thing in there that's logically or factually incorrect to make me disagree.

This issue in general causes me a lot of internal discomfort. If people knew that I believed in race differences, 80% of them would hate me and think I'm some kind of monster. But between the persistent achievement gaps you allude to and the fact that African countries are invariably far less developed than white-run countries, I cannot convince myself otherwise. In fact, sometimes I think the rest of the world is insane for chalking up this mountain of outcome inequality entirely to "racism." Yet I envy them in a way. I don't want to be a bigot. I don't want people to misconstrue my opinion as "hatred," or a hard-and-fast rule by which every black person is dumb. I want to be an acceptable human being. The pressure to conform can be overwhelming.

 

[nomadbrah]

So you admit your point is bullshit, because apparently white supremacists don't care about asians doing better than whites in IQ tests despite getting "triggered" if they aren't on top of the "natural hierarchy". Jews are rarely broken out in general discussions of IQ because they're a tiny group, globally.

And I didn't try to silence you at all, so I don't know what the fuck you're talking about now. I just pointed out that you have a tendency to make shit up because of your personal biases. I think we've conclusively proved that now.

Thanks for playing.

What shit am I making up exactly?

Ashkenazi Jews are on average smarter than whites. This is a fact.

In my experience, bring that up to alt-righters and you get a shitstorm of mental gymnastics.

Look no further than this very thread with Nomadbrah.

Do you have an inability to understand what I posted to you? Try to read the links first before commenting.

IQ is not a single number denoting intelligence, it is made up of 3 different areas, verbal, visual-spatial, mathematical.

Azkenazis only outperform in 2 of those 3 and Asians only in 1 of those 3.

I don't know why you think this matters though?

AB claimed that whites had been intellectually dominated or something along those lines by jews, while that is patently false, since not only can a cursory glance at philosophy, art, science and inventions disprove this easily, so can reading literature up until 1945.

 

[weambulance]

What shit am I making up exactly?

Ashkenazi Jews are on average smarter than whites. This is a fact.

In my experience, bring that up to alt-righters and you get a shitstorm of mental gymnastics.

Look no further than this very thread with Nomadbrah.

Real footage of rw95 last page (goddammit):

 

[spokepoker]

I don't understand what the fuck everyone is arguing about in this thread. This is about Yale admin pandering to whiny cry babies, and witlessly changing the name of buildings meant to honor one person to someone else just to appease the tears of do-nothings.

 

[Arminius]

Right, but....isn't our thinking in the United States today premised upon the idea that each group is exactly equal in intelligence, and in everything else? The idea behind the civil rights movement was that if the legal barriers to black advancement were removed that they would rise to the level of whites in terms of income and educational achievement. Once the legal barriers were removed, blacks would lift themselves out of poverty and as a result the crime rates between the races would equalize, because in this view poverty causes crime.

Except none of this has happened. As one example:

Race gaps in SAT math scores are as big as ever

What you just stated right above me explains so well, so neatly, so Occam's Razor-y, what the liberal Brookings Institution is observing in that article.

If someone begins from the premise that the races are 10,000% equal in every way, nothing, literally nothing, of what he observes around him makes sense, at least not in this country. Blacks (on average, folks, on average) aren't even in the same galaxy as whites or Asians as far as education and test scores, they aren't in the same galaxy as whites or Asians as far as rates of imprisonment, they aren't in the same galaxy as whites or Asians as far as incomes and welfare use, yada yada yada. If the races are equal, and we know they're equal because (((Franz Boas))) told us so, what must account for these differences? White racism! White supremacism! Implicit racial bias in literally everything that has ever existed and exists now!

Ayn Rand (not a fan of her at all) always told people to check their premise whenever something doesn't make sense.

You checked the premise of racial equality very well...but then didn't address the very, very serious implications of removing that premise.

Reading this type of post makes me feel dirty. I feel like a scumbag piece of shit for agreeing with it, yet I can't find a single thing in there that's logically or factually incorrect to make me disagree.

This issue in general causes me a lot of internal discomfort. If people knew that I believed in race differences, 80% of them would hate me and think I'm some kind of monster. But between the persistent achievement gaps you allude to and the fact that African countries are invariably far less developed than white-run countries, I cannot convince myself otherwise. In fact, sometimes I think the rest of the world is insane for chalking up this mountain of outcome inequality entirely to "racism." Yet I envy them in a way. I don't want to be a bigot. I don't want people to misconstrue my opinion as "hatred," or a hard-and-fast rule by which every black person is dumb. I want to be an acceptable human being. The pressure to conform can be overwhelming.

If the masses of the people acknowledged these facts as everyone in the United States did until the middle of the twentieth century, and society existed in accordance with those facts, there would be far fewer problems related to these issues than there are now. Remove the premise of equality, the chips fall where they may, and that's that.

Related to thread's original topic: to many whites now, me included, it seems that there are certain interested parties who for whatever reason have serious, serious hostility towards whites and who will use whatever tortuous arguments they can come up with in order to pin the blame for what seems like every wrong thing under the sun, onto whites. I'm 33 now and I wasn't brought up with racism at all - both sides of my extended family (in rural Virginia) voted for Obama, both times - but the left in this country has become so insane, so vile, so extreme in its hatred for heritage America and whites, as whites, that I was led very quickly down the road to what would be considered by the powers that be as "beyond-the-pale" racial nationalism.

There is no support in any of the research for saying that every black person is dumb. The same studies that reveal the persistent one standard deviation in IQ between blacks and whites in the United States also show that over 15% of blacks have IQs that are above the white average. There are plenty of intelligent blacks and plenty of dumb whites. Lots and lots of overlap, but big differences in proportions.

By the way, I think it was the philosopher Michael Levin who pointed out that it's only subjective human judgement that makes these facts unpalatable. Meaning, it's only because we all value intelligence and think of it as a beneficial quality that pointing out low intelligence in a person or group of people is considered insulting or degrading, the same as stating the fact that a steak is tender and juicy is understood as a compliment, because tenderness and juiciness are valued qualities for a steak to have. They're only statements of fact, but our views make them more than that.