You Attract Your Mirror Reflection

Vigilant

Kingfisher
Woman
Protestant
I get your sentiment, but Justin Bieber is not a good example, as he is clearly a heretic. He advised his fans of staying clear of religion. Somehow he vaguely believes in Jesus Christ, but not in religion. I just think he smoked too much weed.
I see the conversions to faith among so many prominent or for a lack of better word (I am a non-native english speaker- sorry for potential errors); so let's say famous figures- that makes me think that God makes this move on purpose to first gather crowds to follow a certain lifestyle that shows later to be false; only to keep our attention to witness the conversion.

I am positively surprised to see it happen among new age crowds (see Doreen Virtue and her former new age guests speakers) singers (see Justin Bieber) former porn stars (I don't have nsmes as I heard about them anegdotally) former pickup artists (I am not sure if this label relates but I also enjoy videos of yogiobs newborn). I think that God guides people who are in public eye to demonstrate the results of choices to lead each path.

Thank you God for showing us your mercy and intelligence through talents that you demonstrated through Roosh who thanks to you teaches us how to be closer ❤ to you every day!
Welcome!

This could be a very interesting thread on the ladies forum re Bieber...as indicated by the response by @FiatVoluntas Tua.

"You can start the Jonny Depp fan thread in the Public figures subforum instead of hijacking this topic."-Roosh.
 

Blade Runner

Hummingbird
Orthodox
But there are studies showing that the dating market is skewed in the way that 80-90% of women only go for the same 10-20% of men and that they basically find 80% of men unattractive, meanwhile men rate women more like a bell curve.

We can assume that it is basically due to superficial stuff like their physical attraction and the perceived social status. But what says it wouldn't be a skewed market based on virtue on morality too then?
If I just look at the social circles I have been in, I think feminism, social media etc. has created a skewed market in this sense too and that there are far more women who are superficial than men. On the other hand I've read studies saying that there are more women who are Christian and says religion are very important for them. So I don't know?

Either way, I think the point here is just to make sure you step up and live a more virtuous life, come closer to God and you will be more likely to find a woman like that. But I don't think there's any guarantee for it, it's harder to find a woman like that today than in the 50's.
The on the ground reality is that there aren't even enough people on the ground to support that you attract your reflection, unless we take a self fulfilling idea that most are materialist and debased at this point; that is, yes you attract your reflection if you are of the world since that is what everyone else is (on average, or overwhelmingly).
 

Roosh

Cardinal
Orthodox
But there are studies showing that the dating market is skewed in the way that 80-90% of women only go for the same 10-20% of men and that they basically find 80% of men unattractive, meanwhile men rate women more like a bell curve.

We can assume that it is basically due to superficial stuff like their physical attraction and the perceived social status. But what says it wouldn't be a skewed market based on virtue on morality too then?
If I just look at the social circles I have been in, I think feminism, social media etc. has created a skewed market in this sense too and that there are far more women who are superficial than men. On the other hand I've read studies saying that there are more women who are Christian and says religion are very important for them. So I don't know?

Either way, I think the point here is just to make sure you step up and live a more virtuous life, come closer to God and you will be more likely to find a woman like that. But I don't think there's any guarantee for it, it's harder to find a woman like that today than in the 50's.
This is secular. By "go for" you mean "fornicate". Only one man can marry one woman, so in the Christian sense, it makes no sense to say 80-90% of women marry 10-20% of men. Good luck if you want to tame a secular woman for marriage, but you should not be going for them.
 

jeremy

 
Banned
Catholic
Originally posted on RooshV.com

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When it comes to relationships, we desire what we are not. We look to bond with someone of the opposite sex not to make a commitment that pleases God but to improve or satisfy our lives in a material way, but why would someone who has the positive qualities we lack want to bond with us? So we end up spending the bulk of our 20s and 30s searching in vain, racking up hundreds of hours on Tinder alongside innumerable dating failures that make us bitter, jaded, and fearful, decreasing our value as a mate. All the while, we miss the basic truth that we attract our mirror reflection. If you don’t like the women you are pairing with, the problem is not them but you.

Before I accepted Christ into my life, I went on a worldwide hunt to find the most beautiful woman who was loyal, honest, loving, generous, patient, kind, and feminine, yet I myself was not loyal, honest, loving, generous, patient, kind, and masculine (in the sense of being in control of my passions). I thought that if I played a mathematical game of meeting ten thousand women through sheer effort and willpower, I would encounter many perfect women and one of them would decide to spend her life with me. I could have met ten million women and the result would have been the same: I did not meet a woman who came even close to possessing the qualities I dreamed of in my deluded mind. Instead, I met women who were a reflection of my own traits: disloyal, dishonest, extractive, calculating, manipulative, impatient, superficial, cosmopolitan, and faithless.

I have been walking with Christ for only two years, and during that time I have gone on marriage interviews (i.e. dates) with five women. Each woman possessed at least a moderate faith in God, and for that reason alone, all five were superior to every single woman I have dated in my past. In other words, if I had to pick a wife out of all the women I’ve ever known, these five would be at the top of the list. The reason is that as I ascend closer to God, I’ve attracted women whose souls have also begun to ascend to God. This process is completely automatic. No manual effort or conscious “game” is needed on my part. You can not fake the state of your soul, which can only bond with flesh that closely mirrors its state.

There are two levels when it comes to attracting your mirror reflection. The first: is your mental orientation primarily material or spiritual? If it’s material, you will attract and bond with a woman who is a materialist. If it’s spiritual, you will also attract a woman who lives according to the grace given to her by the Holy Spirit. The second level is degree. How much of a materialist are you? The more material you use to attract a woman (cars, money, muscles), the more of a materialist woman you will find. On the other hand, how strong is your faith in God? If you pray daily and attend church every Sunday, you will bond with a woman who either does the same or will have no objection to doing so in the near future.

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If you remember the last three people you dated, you will find that they possessed the same general outlook as you and to a similar degree. The deeper your relationship was with a person, the more that person reflected who you were at the time. If you review all your past relationships, and evaluate every woman you dated, the conclusion you must reach is that each person was who you were at that period in your life. For some of you, that type of person didn’t change at all, and you kept getting burned by the same type of woman, and for others, it changed over time as you’ve changed.

If you’re mad or angry at a failed relationship, you’re in essence mad at yourself for not being the person you should be in the eyes of God. You were lacking in your faith and were tempted to see your partner as someone they were not. That person possessed a similar state of spirit as you, so if she was a cheater (lust), liar (pride), or overweight (glutton) then you also possessed an inclination to her sins or at least the willingness to commit sins that are similar in severity. At the minimum, you were in a relationship with someone who wanted to materially extract from the relationship as much as you desired to extract, but extraction is not confined within a relationship but applies with the entire world, so if your partner couldn’t extract from you the things that would make her “happy,” she simply began looking elsewhere for those benefits and there went your relationship.

If all good comes from God, and you are far from God, you will not attract a virtuous woman. Therefore the solution to attracting a faithful, traditional woman is not acting the fool and traveling around the world to spam a thousand women with a puffed-up composite character of masculinity, or complain endlessly online about how no good women are left, but to build your faith in God. A woman on the same journey will recognize your faith and want to pair bond with you. At the very least, you will get someone who aspires to the faith you have and has already started that journey with sincerity. And if no woman can be found, your faith will be at such a level that you will welcome without complaint what God has laid out for you. You will depend on His love to sustain you and not murmur against a mode of physical existence that He knows you can bear.

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Roush made a very good point. The women on Tinder are the worst. I went on 5 dates one summer with Tinder and they were all crappy, unreceptive, boorish, and superficial in attutide. Do people not care about the Golden Rule? Sure, you know within a few minutes whether you're interested in someone or not, but in terms of being a decent person, or at least having manners, at least have a short conversation when meeting up. One can still be honest but polite, even if they're not interested. If somebody is taking the time to meet you; who wants to be treated like disposabe waste?
Our modern society teaches belief in individual freedoms, but fails to understand that if we invest in the humanity of the environment around us, it benefits everybody; if somebody took the time to come meet you at least turn it into a positive if not interesting experience even if you're not attracted; you took the time; have at least a few interesting words instead of just wallowimg in self-ritchous disdain for someone whose intentions were simply the same as yours. Rather most of the women who weren't interested simply left; one of them after only a few minutes; another did the fake emergency text manuver and couldn't even think of a real emergency, except that it was her "friend's birthday party she forgot about", another with a stone look of disdain etched upon her face muttered a very indifferent and mechanical conversation, before politely excusing herself expressing interest in meeting up again, only to delete me from her Tinder within minutes of the date ending.
And while all the ladies on Oprah will cheer your Independence from such thranny such as politeness, wouldn't it be better for both parties had you been a decent human being? The memory being "well I wasn't interested, but we had a bit of an interesting conversation", rather than one party wondering if they did something wrong, and the other with a conscious deprecating "eww" story to be ratified by equally deprecating friend.
 

jeremy

 
Banned
Catholic
What doesn't explain though is how it explains the coupling of Johnny Depp and Amber Heard. 2 very Disparate personalities that aren't really mirror images at all.
I think the context in which Roosh was speaking is that certain types of negative qualities mirror each other. Now there are other qualities that are different that make people compatible there are certain personality types that are known to be different but compatible.
 

infowarrior1

Peacock
Protestant
I think the context in which Roosh was speaking is that certain types of negative qualities mirror each other. Now there are other qualities that are different that make people compatible there are certain personality types that are known to be different but compatible.
Perception of vulnerability is capnip for femme fatale.
 

Viktor Zeegelaar

Crow
Orthodox Inquirer
But there are studies showing that the dating market is skewed in the way that 80-90% of women only go for the same 10-20% of men and that they basically find 80% of men unattractive, meanwhile men rate women more like a bell curve.

We can assume that it is basically due to superficial stuff like their physical attraction and the perceived social status. But what says it wouldn't be a skewed market based on virtue on morality too then?
If I just look at the social circles I have been in, I think feminism, social media etc. has created a skewed market in this sense too and that there are far more women who are superficial than men. On the other hand I've read studies saying that there are more women who are Christian and says religion are very important for them. So I don't know?

Either way, I think the point here is just to make sure you step up and live a more virtuous life, come closer to God and you will be more likely to find a woman like that. But I don't think there's any guarantee for it, it's harder to find a woman like that today than in the 50's.
Imagine what a desillusion it is for these women when they pridefully hit their mid 30s, haven't found their champion, and are too prideful to admit they're on a more more more lifestyle that is not bringing them everywhere. Hordes of women like that are appearing right now and the future will be even worse.
 

Viktor Zeegelaar

Crow
Orthodox Inquirer
I see the conversions to faith among so many prominent or for a lack of better word (I am a non-native english speaker- sorry for potential errors); so let's say famous figures- that makes me think that God makes this move on purpose to first gather crowds to follow a certain lifestyle that shows later to be false; only to keep our attention to witness the conversion.

I am positively surprised to see it happen among new age crowds (see Doreen Virtue and her former new age guests speakers) singers (see Justin Bieber) former porn stars (I don't have nsmes as I heard about them anegdotally) former pickup artists (I am not sure if this label relates but I also enjoy videos of yogiobs newborn). I think that God guides people who are in public eye to demonstrate the results of choices to lead each path.

Thank you God for showing us your mercy and intelligence through talents that you demonstrated through Roosh who thanks to you teaches us how to be closer ❤ to you every day!
This is a good comment. The only way in modern society to see God if you come from a secular background is to be taken up by the waves of materialism and then be smashed down with a force that breaks every bone in you. As you gain consciousness again with the dust on your face you realize what you've done and what a lie the path you were on was.
 

Aisha absoul

Chicken
Woman
Other Christian
What doesn't explain though is how it explains the coupling of Johnny Depp and Amber Heard. 2 very Disparate personalities that aren't really mirror images at all.
Actually think of the word "mirror". Same intetnal issues but outwardly manifested in opposing ways. One is an overtaker / other is an Over giver. They are both coming from a place of a lack of boundaries & fear of rejection, they have opposite methods of trying to run from the rrar of abandonment/rejection. So essentially opposite sides of the same coin.
 

infowarrior1

Peacock
Protestant
Actually think of the word "mirror". Same intetnal issues but outwardly manifested in opposing ways. One is an overtaker / other is an Over giver. They are both coming from a place of a lack of boundaries & fear of rejection, they have opposite methods of trying to run from the rrar of abandonment/rejection. So essentially opposite sides of the same coin.

Interesting thought.
 

ItsK

Pigeon
Woman
Catholic
It's beautiful in a way, because your wife is supposed to be your other half. You are destined to be joined into one flesh, so she has to be your mirror image. I'm sure your other half is out there, and I think it'll be very interesting when you find her, since you're an eccentric person.
 

Luispiz

Chicken
Trad Catholic
Imagine what a desillusion it is for these women when they pridefully hit their mid 30s, haven't found their champion, and are too prideful to admit they're on a more more more lifestyle that is not bringing them everywhere. Hordes of women like that are appearing right now and the future will be even worse.
While I was reading this post powerful flashbacks came to my mind. These are my two cents, hoping would be useful for someone.

I was in a relationship with some sort of girl for 5 months (she was 35 / I am 38). It was hell for my soul (and a perpetual emotional rollercoaster for her. I think this was "good" in her mind). Vaguely believer in Jesus Christ and "love", yoga's novice, entitled, very good looking and pleasing girl. I was so dumb, my God. Anyway, that relationship was really far from God and justice.

I knew her (a colleague) when she was already in a secular relationship (concubinate, they lived together) with a man of which she had very little respect (me too, mercy on me). She had a very secular lifestyle (travels, photos, media, social), although not one of the worst I've seen (she dressed modestly and I've always appreciated this). I asked her, at that time (4-5 years ago, after 1 year of dumb texting and occasionally tete a tete in which we infringed everytime the sixth commandment), to leave her boyfriend in order to stay with me, a wretched sinner. She refused and I left.

Some months ago, after two years of distance, she left her secular boyfriend and we met again and ended in lust and premarital sex almost immediately (she rented an apartment where, now, she lives alone).

The relationship lasted 5 months, marked by uninterrupted quarrels between us: after the first month, I've tried to repent hardly and invited her doing the same, promising we will never experience again premarital sex. Easy to say, it was not the case. We ended in sex multiple times, although lesser than prior to repenting.

I've always complained about her lifestyle (travels on weekend, harsh on other person, materialistic, yoga's fan and similar). She came to church with me one time: she was obviously bored and spent much of the time complaining. Since 4/5 weeks I've decided to cut every contact, texting, meeting with her. As far as I know, she's very bad at this time.

Nonetheless, I think I had no alternative: cut everything to save our souls (I'm not able to endure sexual temptation with her, we ended so many times alone at her house and to her my thoughts on sin were quite silly 'cause "we had to enjoy life", "we love each other" and we are "good persons" and no other catholic friends were on that path on sixth commandment - they broke it constantly without exception).

Cutting off totally with her was one of the hardest decisions I've taken on me in my entire life (I'm 38 years old). In some sense, I really loved her but we were unable to control our lust and that nearly destroyed me (lust calls gluttony, gluttony calls pride, pride calls avarice and I can confirm everything on these matters - passion call passion - written by the Fathers). She told me that she would have considered serious Christan courtship but that - of course - never happened (I was more guilty than her 'cause I knew exactly the teaching of church on the field).

Now I'm trying to walk in the right path and I thank everyone on this site for messages, advises, suggestions and especially Roosh 'cause he's a landmark. How many of us can recognize themselves in his previous wrong path! I really am one of the worst sinners on earth and I was so proud that I nearly dragged the person I thought I loved in hell with me. Mercy on us, Father.

In the end, If I'm allowed, I would say this: never, never engage with someone who doesn't have Christ in his / her life and, of course, don't engage in premarital sex or sexual arousement 'cause is the fastest way to hell. Getting out of that sinful way is really, really, really hard and sorrowful, we always end doing bad to others. We can help those people (especially girls) who don't believe in many ways (going out for a walk, talking about the beauty of christian marriage and especially giving example with our life) but entering in a relationship like the one I've lived could be a disaster for both. If you love someone don't hurt her / him. Don't try to save someone who doesn't want to be saved, you'll end up losing your soul.

Hope the girl will know the Church by herself, I've tried as much as I can and with my heavy faults (I often talked with her about chastity and similar, though I was never able to completely abstain) but I must keep in mind that I'm not God and sexual temptation could be - in some occasions - simply unvincible, at least at this time of my life.

God bless everyone on this forum
 
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