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Giovonny

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cardguy said:
Revolutionized Philosophy?

Yes, like G suggested, he bridged his ancient Chinese philosophy with a more modern, western, practical application, in a variety of areas.


-The way we view life.
-The way we solve problems.
-The way we model nature.
-The philosophy of sport.
-The nature of self-expression


Basically, he applied centuries old Asian wisdom to modern day life and expressed it through film, fitness training, and martial arts. (and other stuff like diet, etc.)

I like to say, sometimes, the best philosophers are not dead Greek guys but people that walk among us every day.

thegmanifesto said:
houston said:
He was beta because he was skinny and under 6'2

And he wasn't blond hair and blue eyes.

So I bet Bruce would have gotten blanked in Peru.

Bruce was dating blonds in the 1960's

He smashed down doors for Asian men. Kind of like what Jeremy Lin did in basketball last year. He was decades ahead of his time.

Asian men are actually quite popular in South America.

Peru and Brazil have many Latin-Asian mixtures. These are some of my favorite women on the planet. The Japanese-Brazilian girls are my #1!

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Some of my favorite Bruce Quotes:

Man, the living creature, the creating individual, is always more important than any established style or system.

When my acute self-consciousness grew to what the psychologists refer to as the “double-bind” type, my instructor would again approach me and say, “Loong, preserve yourself by following the natural bends of things and don’t interfere. Remember never to assert yourself against nature; never be in frontal opposition to any problems, but control it by swinging with it.

When there is freedom from mechanical conditioning, there is simplicity. The classical man is just a bundle of routine, ideas and tradition. If you follow the classical pattern, you are understanding the routine, the tradition, the shadow — you are not understanding yourself.

Truth has no path. Truth is living and, therefore, changing. Awareness is without choice, without demand, without anxiety; in that state of mind, there is perception. To know oneself is to study oneself in action with another person. Awareness has no frontier; it is giving of your whole being, without exclusion.

Liberate yourself from concepts and see the truth with your own eyes. — It exists HERE and NOW; it requires only one thing to see it: openness, freedom — the freedom to be open and not tethered by any ideas, concepts, etc. ... When our mind is tranquil, there will be an occasional pause to its feverish activities, there will be a let-go, and it is only then in the interval between two thoughts that a flash of UNDERSTANDING — understanding, which is not thought — can take place.


I could on all day.
 

MHaes

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Giovonny said:
The Japanese-Brazilian girls are my #1!

Damn.

That sounds like quite the mix...

:pics:


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Also, it sounds like Bruce Lee's life philosophy, in Western terms, would be Stoicism combined with a desire to become a Nietzschean ubermensch.
 

Giovonny

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MHaes said:
Also, it sounds like Bruce Lee's life philosophy, in Western terms, would be Stoicism combined with a desire to become a Nietzschean ubermensch.

You are trying to categorize and classify Bruces philosophy.

That goes against his philosophy. He did not think we should be limited by forms, routines, patterns, or traditions

His style was to have no style.

I think its best to try NOT to label it.

If you define your style, opponents can prepare for it.

If your style is undefined, no one can prepare for it.
 

Moma

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Giovonny said:
1) Revolutionized hand to hand combat
2) Invent MMA
3) Advanced and evolved our approach to athletic training
4) Revolutionized Art and Film
5) Revolutionized Philosophy

What approaches did he revolutionise to athletic training? Got any specific examples?
 

Bill

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To much hype. Guy seems to me to psychedelic. I stick with Rocky for motivation.

Maybe he even was bad for Martial Arts as he did not distance himself enough from Win Chung which is crap. Japanese and Korean Martial Arts were good enough no need for his dubious thing called JKD other than selfpromoting. In the matter of philosophy: He shouldn´t have said anything. Come on. Be like water. No thank you. Btw did he even lift and smoke?

The Martial Arts hype is also to much. Boxing and Wrestling are good enough. It worked some thousands of years. It does work nowadays too. I blame him why Win Chung is still popular.

Best motivational workout montage ist Rocky IV.
 

Edmund Dantes

 
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Giovonny said:
Moma said:
what did bruce lee do?

1) Revolutionized hand to hand combat
2) Invent MMA
3) Advanced and evolved our approach to athletic training
4) Revolutionized Art and Film
5) Revolutionized Philosophy

Lee did not invent MMA. Dana White said that in the early UFC days in order to bring the karate kids to like the sport. Pankration (which was Greek MMA) was during the fucking B.C. era and it was a mixture of boxing, wrestling takedowns and submission holds.

1 & 3 are debatable.

4 & 5 How?

IMO, Lee was just a person who was very dedicated to martial arts but his invincible aura was given to him by his fanboys. You ever watch an MMA fight on youtube and the top comment is always: "Bruce Lee would knock him out and anyone else out."

Fuck.

That.

Mutha Fuckin'.

Shit.

EDIT- Btw, even before Lee and after Pankration came "Bartitsu." It was an English MMA system which combine cane-fighting, judo, jiu-jitsu, Savate (French kickboxing, and boxing. SO FUCK THAT BULLSHIT ABOUT BRUCE LEE INVENTING SHIT! Not you but those little cock suckers out there.
 

Enigma

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Edmund Dantes said:
Lee did not invent MMA. Dana White said that in the early UFC days in order to bring the karate kids to like the sport. Pankration (which was Greek MMA) was during the fucking B.C. era and it was a mixture of boxing, wrestling takedowns and submission holds.

1 & 3 are debatable.

4 & 5 How?

IMO, Lee was just a person who was very dedicated to martial arts but his invincible aura was given to him by his fanboys. You ever watch an MMA fight on youtube and the top comment is always: "Bruce Lee would knock him out and anyone else out."

Fuck.

That.

Mutha Fuckin'.

Shit.

EDIT- Btw, even before Lee and after Pankration came "Bartitsu." It was an English MMA system which combine cane-fighting, judo, jiu-jitsu, Savate (French kickboxing, and boxing. SO FUCK THAT BULLSHIT ABOUT BRUCE LEE INVENTING SHIT! Not you but those little cock suckers out there.

Some of Bruce Lee's "fanboys":

Anderson Silva -

Who are you idols?

"I am the biggest fan of Bruce Lee. I especially like his philosophy of Jeet Kune Do. But I'm also a fan of Muhammad Ali and Roy Jones Jr. those are guys for whom I tip my hat. Outside the ring, I would say Michael Jordan, Pele and Ronaldo. People think I say this because of my contract with 9ine, but it is not."

Would you have liked to have fought Bruce Lee?


"No. I would like to have known him and to have had lessons with him. But to risk a fight with Bruce Lee? No."

Sugar Ray Leonard
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You've always been so smart and versatile in the ring. You always adapted to the situation and to your opponent.

"My versatility comes from emulating Bruce Lee! He was one of my idols. And like Sugar Ray Robinson, he was an entertainer. Ali was bigger than life too. And those were the three people that I modeled myself after. I tried to emulate that inner strength, the ability to be strategic and technical in and outside the ring."


Manny Pacquiao -

To explain the way he fights, he settled on three words.

“Like Bruce Lee,” he said.


Growing up in the Philippines, Pacquiao studied Lee, watching his movies on endless loops. He still often views his collector’s set. “Enter the Dragon” is his favorite. His conditioning coach, Alex Ariza, says he believes Pacquiao built his baseline movement off Lee’s template, the continual attacking, the feet drummed in and out.

Miguel Torres and Frank Mir -



As for your questions on how he revolutionized film and philosophy, the latter has already been explained but the former refers to his role as one of the first Asian actors in American cinema and the most successful of that time period. He also played an enormous role in making martial arts movies popular in the States and opened doors for the Jackie Chan's, Jason Statham's, etc. Not to mention his huge role in going against the orthodoxy of the time to allow non-Asians to learn their martial arts.

Steve McQueen -

Was a friend and student of Lee's.

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Jean Claude Van Damme -

"For example, the number one martial arts superstar of all time was Bruce Lee. When I look back at him, I tried to model myself after him in so many ways. I would suggest to a "Hollywood want to be," do the same. The first thing you must do is to be in absolutely perfect physical condition. This means you must really watch your diet and you must also train weights so that you look lean and cut as much as possible. Take a look at Bruce's photos or him in "Enter The Dragon" and you will see how cut he was. His total body fat had to be about 4 percent. He was real lean and in great shape. I did exactly the same thing. I still train hard, and before I go into a picture I increase my training and really watch my diet."

Jason Statham -

Who are Jason's biggest influences?

"There's Bruce Lee and then, of course, there's Sly."

It's crazy that someone can be considered "hype" when every major fighter and action star idolizes them.
 

Bill

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Guy never proved how good he was though many think he was like superman. This is called a cult.

Being friends with McQeen proves nothing. Became McQeen a greate JKD fighter or a philospher?

Cult followers can also be fighters. Specially fighting guys like worshipping idols.

Even if he would be a great teacher in MA it´s not like he found a cure against a major disease. Again celebrity worship.

Btw guy had worst survival skills and same with his son, not very antifragile.





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Giovonny

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Moma said:
What approaches did he revolutionise to athletic training? Got any specific examples?

He was one of the first athletes to popularize:

- "Cross-training"
- "Circuit training"
- Keeping extensive notes about diet and how it effects performance.
- Strength training of the fingers, toes, neck, ankles, etc.
- "Balance work" for athletes.
-"Sport specific" stretching and flexibility.

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar went to him for help with flexibility and balance.


Edmund Dantes said:
Lee did not invent MMA.

Pankration (which was Greek MMA)

Fair point.

Maybe, Bruce was the one who popularized it in the modern era.

The Greeks knew the value of diversity in terms of their fighting arts. After them, things got a bit more structured and less diverse.

Bruce brought the skill diversity back to fighting. Or, at least he made it popular again.

Edmund Dantes said:
1 & 3 are debatable.

Feel free to debate any points that you disagree with.

Edmund Dantes said:
4 & 5 How?

Both questions have already been answered in this thread.

Feel free to debate them if you have a different opinion.

houston said:
Did he get in street fights?

Yes, this is why he came to the United States.

He had so many street fights in Asia, he had many enemies.

People regularly challenged him to street fights.

His philosophy is rooted in street fighting.
 
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