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<blockquote data-quote="Cervantes" data-source="post: 1476543" data-attributes="member: 19971"><p>I don't think you characterize option 1 correctly at all.</p><p></p><p>The plan of separating from the current society comes from a realization: <strong>"our side" cannot win because we are also sick.</strong></p><p></p><p>We're (almost) as much a degenerate part of the modern world as any self-hating soy white person. </p><p></p><p>A typical modern right wing person still sings along with modern songs that glorify adultery and blasphemy. Most still support some combination of legal recognition for gay marriage, divorce, abortion, drug legalization, adultery etc. Most are still planning on a life of wage slavery and delayed marriage. Very few understand why headship is important in marriage, and a vanishingly small number manage to practice it. Most are way too lazy and self indulgent. How many modern people, even Latin mass trads, could explain why gluttony is a sin? The list goes on. </p><p></p><p>We're not at all like the pre-1920's people who could, in the right circumstances, form a functioning civilization. A pre-1920's person would look at the most "trad" modern person the way we regard "ex-gay" Milo. They would fumigate their house a minute after you went out the door.</p><p></p><p>If by divine miracle God took away every power our enemies currently have, and put the best of our people in charge, within a generation we'd be at least as badly off as we are now.</p><p></p><p>We're not going "reverse" our way out of this. Some people imagine that maybe we get enough power to reverse transgender abuse of children, and trans in sports, and that later we maybe make transgender a mental illness again, and then move on to gay marriage etc. Nothing like this is ever going to happen. These policies are the natural and inevitable consequences of an deeper collapse of the principles that made civilization possible. Those principles must be restored before anything can be reversed.</p><p></p><p>Those principles are things like: </p><p></p><p>Man is made in the image of God, has a special internal dignity, and a special eternal responsibility. Reason should be in control of the passions, not the other way around. All the natural passions (desire for food, rest, sex and praise) exist for a divine purpose (natural law) and are only moral when they serve that goal. (From this follows that gluttony, sloth, lust and pride are sins. It explains why birth control is sin, and is an additional argument for why sodomy is a sin). etc.</p><p></p><p>Now just imagine trying to convince a modern mainstream conservative of this, and trying to build a normie tier school on these principles. The only way is going to be if you set your family apart, find people who already understand this, and try to build.</p><p></p><p>There are people in the "move to the woods"/"move to LATAM" camp who are clueless modernists. They go with the idea that they are going to ride out the "mad max" apocalypse. (FYI: mad max is degeneracy porn - we only can stomach watching it because we are a modern degenerates) Often these are single men, no family. They are bringing the modernist illness with them and will be no help in the future.</p><p></p><p>There are others who in "cargo cult" fashion think that if they just live on a farm and dress like the Amish that by some alchemy they will have a pre-modern large successful family. This is like the modern woman who upon turning 30 starts instagramming herself in prairie dresses but underneath she is still wearing a thong and fishnets.</p><p></p><p>What we need to be doing is making an internal change. </p><p></p><p>First understand the civilization we lost in 1910 - by reading books from that time. Then strive to become a member of that culture. Don't give up any modern convenience or modern technology for its own sake, and don't mimic their style of dress. Become like them inside, and then do what makes sense.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cervantes, post: 1476543, member: 19971"] I don't think you characterize option 1 correctly at all. The plan of separating from the current society comes from a realization: [B]"our side" cannot win because we are also sick.[/B] We're (almost) as much a degenerate part of the modern world as any self-hating soy white person.[B] [/B] A typical modern right wing person still sings along with modern songs that glorify adultery and blasphemy. Most still support some combination of legal recognition for gay marriage, divorce, abortion, drug legalization, adultery etc. Most are still planning on a life of wage slavery and delayed marriage. Very few understand why headship is important in marriage, and a vanishingly small number manage to practice it. Most are way too lazy and self indulgent. How many modern people, even Latin mass trads, could explain why gluttony is a sin? The list goes on. We're not at all like the pre-1920's people who could, in the right circumstances, form a functioning civilization. A pre-1920's person would look at the most "trad" modern person the way we regard "ex-gay" Milo. They would fumigate their house a minute after you went out the door. If by divine miracle God took away every power our enemies currently have, and put the best of our people in charge, within a generation we'd be at least as badly off as we are now. We're not going "reverse" our way out of this. Some people imagine that maybe we get enough power to reverse transgender abuse of children, and trans in sports, and that later we maybe make transgender a mental illness again, and then move on to gay marriage etc. Nothing like this is ever going to happen. These policies are the natural and inevitable consequences of an deeper collapse of the principles that made civilization possible. Those principles must be restored before anything can be reversed. Those principles are things like: Man is made in the image of God, has a special internal dignity, and a special eternal responsibility. Reason should be in control of the passions, not the other way around. All the natural passions (desire for food, rest, sex and praise) exist for a divine purpose (natural law) and are only moral when they serve that goal. (From this follows that gluttony, sloth, lust and pride are sins. It explains why birth control is sin, and is an additional argument for why sodomy is a sin). etc. Now just imagine trying to convince a modern mainstream conservative of this, and trying to build a normie tier school on these principles. The only way is going to be if you set your family apart, find people who already understand this, and try to build. There are people in the "move to the woods"/"move to LATAM" camp who are clueless modernists. They go with the idea that they are going to ride out the "mad max" apocalypse. (FYI: mad max is degeneracy porn - we only can stomach watching it because we are a modern degenerates) Often these are single men, no family. They are bringing the modernist illness with them and will be no help in the future. There are others who in "cargo cult" fashion think that if they just live on a farm and dress like the Amish that by some alchemy they will have a pre-modern large successful family. This is like the modern woman who upon turning 30 starts instagramming herself in prairie dresses but underneath she is still wearing a thong and fishnets. What we need to be doing is making an internal change. First understand the civilization we lost in 1910 - by reading books from that time. Then strive to become a member of that culture. Don't give up any modern convenience or modern technology for its own sake, and don't mimic their style of dress. Become like them inside, and then do what makes sense. [/QUOTE]
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