Your Hillary 2016 Survival Plan

[Bacchus]

I've seen a few of these:

 

[Sawyer]

I don't buy the argument that whites or white men are less tribal than everybody else. The Republicans, or at least the ones winning primaries, have chosen to take an explicitly white populist stance.

Can you give me an explicitly pro-white quote from a successful modern politician?

I didn't say pro-white. I said white populist. There is a difference. Calkin Obama the food stamp president is a populist tactic.

When you say that Romney and McCain lost because they weren't radical enough sounds like the guy at the poker table saying that he only lost because he didn't bet big enough.

This is politics. This is how the game works. You make your pitch to the people and the people say yea or nay. When you lose and start making excuses instead of actually being critical about your performance, it just guarantees that you'll never make progress.

But I am making my pitch and being critical about the performance. My pitch is that I don't believe McCain or Romney made an explicit enough pro-white right wing pitch. Ergo they were shitty candidates, ergo they lost. My pitch is that the Republican base will no longer bother voting for a neoconservative in a national election. To trump the neoconservative label and draw the white conservative base again, a candidate will absolutely have to go full-on balls-out neoreactionary, and trust that the people will respond in spite of the media antics.

 

[Vitriol]

Hilary will talk the talk, but won't walk the walk. She will get into office, find out the horrible truth about things and nothing will change. The game is rigged. Penis or vagina. Democrat or Republican. Doesn't matter.

They all have to tow the line when they get elected to the presidency. She isn't going to change the gradual downward spiral our country has been on since Sept. 11th 2001. Expect the limitations on the First and Fourth Amendments to get worse, and the large scale surveillance to continue regardless of what the feds tell us they've done to limit the NSA's powers.

If you wanna know what happens to a president who actually does try to make changes, ask Johnny...

[Mod: Gore image removed.]

 

[Suits]

I'll be safely relocated to a safer continent by 2016, so no worries here.

 

[TigerMandingo]

Hilary will talk the talk, but won't walk the walk. She will get into office, find out the horrible truth about things and nothing will change. The game is rigged. Penis or vagina. Democrat or Republican. Doesn't matter.

They all have to tow the line when they get elected to the presidency. She isn't going to change the gradual downward spiral our country has been on since Sept. 11th 2001. Expect the limitations on the First and Fourth Amendments to get worse, and the large scale surveillance to continue regardless of what the feds tell us they've done to limit the NSA's powers.

If you wanna know what happens to a president who actually does try to make changes, ask Johnny...

[Mod: Gore image removed.]

 

[greensteelhead]

Ah, JR, you go on believing that Barak Hussein Obama (mmm mmm mmmmm) isn't the "food stamp President", and you will get me to pull out the statistics. Same on the amount of debt this assclown has heaped on us all.

Obamacare is a disaster in the making, and we continue to print script like there is no tomorrow. By about 2016, I am guessing that we will be right about $22 Trillion in debt, and the wheels on the bus are going to be ready to pop off. I just cannot see how printing to oblivion does not create a Weimar Germany-style economy. We have been graced with incredibly low interest rates, but if it ticks up, it will put a massive crunch on what our government is doing and spending. Additionally, there has been no budget passed from our wonderful Congress in years; instead, they existing on Continuous Resolutions (CRs - we just had another one) and continue to kick all cans down the street. There is not a leader in DC....they are all corrupt and disgusting losers.

Hillary is going to run. I have people in my area plastering their cars with that God-awful bumper sticker already. Silly bastards. Team Clinton is good at campaigning and destroying opponents, but that shining personality and screech is going to drive people insane. I am sure Bill will "stand by his (wo)man" and help as only he can, but perhaps his wandering eyes and cigar will create other problems.

Obamacare is going to be a tipping point. My father-in-law tried to sign up for it, and he waited for 63 days for someone to call him back. This was after calling to the state-run exchange and then working his way to state representatives and Senators. He still has no clue if he is enrolled, even though he used the website and entered all his information. This is a quagmire, and just wait until people try to use the worthless shit. It is going to be a disaster (and already is as people try to use it). When Obama's waiver orgy and exemption-deals expire, all hell is going to break loose. Why? Because it touches everyone in the US, and eventually all citizens are going to get bent over by a "benevolent" government and their ABC agencies.

I digress. The Republicans were down until October-November. Obamacare gave them new life. Yes, there is strife internally, and that is a good thing and a good fight. Personally, I believe there is little difference in the shade of "Progressive" between the established Republicans and the Democrats. Each wants a big, sloppy government that pays friends and donors to maintain status and power. That is why you have little change when one party is elected over the other in Congress. The two parties really come together to screw the individual and keep elected politicians (the ruling elite) in power is Goal #1. I am hoping that people will wake up and destroy both parties.

Frankly, I would prefer a Libertarian route: one where "Libertarians are silently taking over the world so they can leave us the fuck alone to live as we so choose." That might only happen after there is no money left to spend (or that is worth a damn). The bubbles created on Wall Street, Student Loans and the Housing Market will crash at some point....God help us all.

My plan? Learn skills that will be useful and in demand for when the shit goes down and economy stops functioning. Develop networks of like-minded people, and develop relationships in the neighborhood. I am getting good at urban gardening, carpentry, food preservation and wine making. These skills will be useful. Since I am an engineer, I have useful skills that will be in demand.

I also have a plan in place to head to Canada (a few hours away) to get across the border if shit goes really bad, and eventually flee to Chile. the one concern I have is that I would hate to be a US refugee when the world wants to beat on the last superpower and all her citizens. That is a last resort.

 

[RockHard]

The president is often called "the most powerful man in the world" yet to me he seems to be a lame duck, basically, and not that influential on the domestic level when I compare the office to the constitional role of heads-of-governments in other countries.

Granted, he has his executive orders and can exert a lot of influence in international affairs, questions of war & peace and federal government issues. But even that seems to be severely limited by the US constitution. On the other hand, Congress is fucking powerful and can block basically everything the President wants to do. Checks and balances work much differently than in European parliamentary systems and the whole lawmaking process is much more competitive among the branches than in France or Germany.

What you're missing is that the executive branch controls most of the government. If you look at who runs what, the judicial and legislative branches amount to a few thousand employees each, and the rest of the federal employees are ultimately reporting to the President, who appoints cabinet heads to run all the various departments.

While Congress can block the President, it's more the other way around - it's much harder to get 500+ people to attain majority than it is for one guy to say "no". On top of that the President gets to appoint judges to the supreme court, which is immense power. A President who can appoint 2 or 3 judges can guide policy for decades after his death - just look at FDR who appointed 8 justices to the court and in the subsequent decades there was a radical reworking of the law in the US. Then there's Federal Reserve governors, who get 14 year appointments.

This is what you're voting for with the President - it's not so much about the one man, it's about the thousands of other people he'll bring with him, all the cabinet heads, the middle managers, advisors, etc. I don't know how it is in Europe, but when there's a change of party in the White House, it's like an invading army taking over.

 

[Tail Gunner]

On the global stage, Democratic US Presidents are far more respected and embraced than Republican ones. You can go back to the beginning of the last century and make the comparisons. Not even close. FDR, JFK, Clinton, Obama. Those men have all been treated like rockstars overseas.

That is some seriously spaced-out historical revisionism.

JFK's weakness, especially in regard to the Bay of Pigs, prompted the Cuban Missile Crisis and brought the nation to the brink of nuclear war.

Carter's weakness prompted the Soviet Union to invade Afghanistan on its march towards a warm water port.

Obama has garnered nothing but contempt from the likes of Putin and all the belligerent leaders of the Middle East nations.

Clinton was probably the most competent of the four, but continually involved the U.S. in military conflicts where we it no vital national interests (Haiti, Somalia, Serbia, etc.) Then he refused a request by our military commanders to provide armored vehicles to the troops in Somalia. Anyone who has watched "Black Hawk Down" knows how that turned out.

Ronald Reagan was more respected by our friends and feared by our enemies than JFK, Carter, Clinton, and Obama combined.

 

[Hencredible Casanova]

On the global stage, Democratic US Presidents are far more respected and embraced than Republican ones. You can go back to the beginning of the last century and make the comparisons. Not even close. FDR, JFK, Clinton, Obama. Those men have all been treated like rockstars overseas.

That is some seriously spaced-out historical revisionism.

JFK's weakness, especially in regard to the Bay of Pigs, prompted the Cuban Missile Crisis and brought the nation to the brink of nuclear war.

Carter's weakness prompted the Soviet Union to invade Afghanistan on its march towards a warm water port.

Obama has garnered nothing but contempt from the likes of Putin and all the belligerent leaders of the Middle East nations.

Clinton was probably the most competent of the four, but continually involved the U.S. in military conflicts where we it no vital national interests (Haiti, Somalia, Serbia, etc.) Then he refused a request by our military commanders to provide armored vehicles to the troops in Somalia. Anyone who has watched "Black Hawk Down" knows how that turned out.

Ronald Reagan was more respected by our friends and feared by our enemies than JFK, Carter, Clinton, and Obama combined.

Funny to see you having debates with yourself armchair. Where did I even mention Carter btw? F-D-R.

Not sure why you went on a worthless and irrelevant rant about foreign policy matters when I was talking about the popularity of Dem Presidents overseas. They are far more respected, liked, and well-known than their Republican counterparts by the international public. Not even a matter of debate. Anyone who's spent significant time overseas or is simply informed about US perception in foreign countries understands this. There's even polling done on this. Obama was the overwhelming choice in most countries during both his elections. Bill Clinton gets mobbed wherever he goes when he travels abroad. When I was in Brazil during Obama's first election victory, you would have thought he was running for office down there. JFK was an international celebrity and is still remembered by many.

Have fun debating yourself.

 

[Tex Pro]

 

[polymath]

I wouldn't mind seeing her win. She was a phenomenonal Secretary of State considering the challenges she faced, not the least of which were Wikileaks fallout and the foreign reputation of the USA under Obama's predecessor.

She's a smart woman, very worthy of high office, and I can't find fault with her achievements or qualifications.

Then again, I suppose it was beta of her to stay with Bill when he cheated.....right guys?

Guys?

 

[ElJefe]

They are far more respected, liked, and well-known than their Republican counterparts by the international public. Not even a matter of debate. Anyone who's spent significant time overseas or is simply informed about US perception in foreign countries understands this. There's even polling done on this. Obama was the overwhelming choice in most countries during both his elections. Bill Clinton gets mobbed wherever he goes when he travels abroad. When I was in Brazil during Obama's first election victory, you would have thought he was running for office down there. JFK was an international celebrity and is still remembered by many.

To be fair, foreign - that is - European disdain of American Presidents really should be considered a badge of honor. Using it as a positive measure for Presidential record is really questionable. As far as Latin America is concerned, Mercosur countries prefer Dems and left-wing ideologies, Alianco del Pacifico was more of a Bush fan. El Salvador, Guatemala, Mexico, Colombia, Panama.. all these places are far more pro-US.

European, Argentine and Brazilian elites are generally off their rocker and way crazier than many of the most ardent American progressives.

 

[The Lizard of Oz]

I've always fantasized about being a PAY PIG to an old dyke... so I can't wait for 2016!!

 

[tmason]

I wouldn't mind seeing her win. She was a phenomenonal Secretary of State considering the challenges she faced, not the least of which were Wikileaks fallout and the foreign reputation of the USA under Obama's predecessor.

Name three accomplishments she had as Secretary of State.

She's a smart woman, very worthy of high office, and I can't find fault with her achievements or qualifications.

Uh-huh. "Smart" with promoting herself, getting elected and staying relevant using any attacks against her as "proof" of misogyny; thus becoming immune to them.

She was First Lady. Name three things she was notable for then.

She then became a US Senator. What bills or initiatives did she champion?

She then ran for President. How did she run? As a person with new ideas or a vision? Or the "inevitable" candidate, as she will be running this time around?

Then again, I suppose it was beta of her to stay with Bill when he cheated.....right guys?

Guys?

She stayed with Bill for the power. Dumbass.

 

[Hencredible Casanova]

To be fair, foreign - that is - European disdain of American Presidents really should be considered a badge of honor. Using it as a positive measure for Presidential record is really questionable. As far as Latin America is concerned, Mercosur countries prefer Dems and left-wing ideologies, Alianco del Pacifico was more of a Bush fan. El Salvador, Guatemala, Mexico, Colombia, Panama.. all these places are far more pro-US.

European, Argentine and Brazilian elites are generally off their rocker and way crazier than many of the most ardent American progressives.

It's not just Europe and Latin America, Asia too.


What's funny is that Romney's best showing in a poll of 22 countries was Kenya, the country of Obama's father.

France preferred Obama the most.

2008 was the same story.

I can speak just from traveling that during the Bush era saying you were from the US invited a lot of annoying discussions about wars and the economy. I saw countless posters casting him in a bad light all throughout the world.

 

[Tail Gunner]

On the global stage, Democratic US Presidents are far more respected and embraced than Republican ones. You can go back to the beginning of the last century and make the comparisons. Not even close. FDR, JFK, Clinton, Obama. Those men have all been treated like rockstars overseas.

That is some seriously spaced-out historical revisionism.

JFK's weakness, especially in regard to the Bay of Pigs, prompted the Cuban Missile Crisis and brought the nation to the brink of nuclear war.

Carter's weakness prompted the Soviet Union to invade Afghanistan on its march towards a warm water port.

Obama has garnered nothing but contempt from the likes of Putin and all the belligerent leaders of the Middle East nations.

Clinton was probably the most competent of the four, but continually involved the U.S. in military conflicts where we it no vital national interests (Haiti, Somalia, Serbia, etc.) Then he refused a request by our military commanders to provide armored vehicles to the troops in Somalia. Anyone who has watched "Black Hawk Down" knows how that turned out.

Ronald Reagan was more respected by our friends and feared by our enemies than JFK, Carter, Clinton, and Obama combined.

Funny to see you having debates with yourself armchair. Where did I even mention Carter btw? F-D-R.

Not sure why you went on a worthless and irrelevant rant about foreign policy matters when I was talking about the popularity of Dem Presidents overseas. They are far more respected, liked, and well-known than their Republican counterparts by the international public. Not even a matter of debate. Anyone who's spent significant time overseas or is simply informed about US perception in foreign countries understands this. There's even polling done on this. Obama was the overwhelming choice in most countries during both his elections. Bill Clinton gets mobbed wherever he goes when he travels abroad. When I was in Brazil during Obama's first election victory, you would have thought he was running for office down there. JFK was an international celebrity and is still remembered by many.

Have fun debating yourself.

Thank you or making my point, which was that your point was geo-politically irrelevant -- and, in fact, harmful to the nation.

As demonstrated time-after-time on the world stage, having a president that is liked by foreign powers is a dangerous hindrance. As I noted in my prior post by providing actual examples, those types of presidents always draw aggression from our enemies.

The U.S. needs a president who is not liked, but respected -- and, if necessary, feared.

Anyone who's spent significant time overseas or is simply informed about U.S. perception in foreign countries understands this fact. There are entire regions of the world (Russia, China, Middle East, etc.) where weakness is viewed as an invitation to aggression.

Yes, Obama is liked by the ignorant masses the world over. He is also viewed as a politically naive weakling by most world leaders. In other words, by the people who really count on the world stage.

Any high-level manager knows that he must be respected (not liked) in any optimally performing organization. This is basic human nature.

 

[speakeasy]

What's funny is that Romney's best showing in a poll of 22 countries was Kenya, the country of Obama's father.

A friend of mine was visiting Kenya around the time of the first election. He said a lot of Kenyans don't like Obama. Not because of his politics, but because of the ethnic group his father comes from. So that might explain the numbers.

 

[It_is_my_time]

I wouldn't mind seeing her win. She was a phenomenonal Secretary of State considering the challenges she faced, not the least of which were Wikileaks fallout and the foreign reputation of the USA under Obama's predecessor.

She's a smart woman, very worthy of high office, and I can't find fault with her achievements or qualifications.

Then again, I suppose it was beta of her to stay with Bill when he cheated.....right guys?

Guys?

She is a hardcore feminist who would push for an extension of the anti-male laws that attack fake alphas (real alphas have millions and run things) and the betas.

She is a red pill male nightmare.

 

[Dusty]

As far as I can tell, her biggest achievement was marrying a talented man and riding his coattails.

 

[MidniteSpecial]

She's not gonna run. Bill is to old and not in great condition.