Yuri Bezmenov - real or fake?

CynicalContrarian

Owl
Other Christian
Gold Member
He wasn't the only one.

Stanislav Lunev.
Anatoliy Golitsyn.
Ion Pacepa.
Among others.

Westerners just don't like the idea that they were tricked & duped by the Kremlin.

Yet don't forget. Behind the Kremlin was the sinister sod - satan.
 

oilbreh

Woodpecker
I didn't see any instances that threw red flags and I've watched him a few times. The fact he was a 'journalist' doesn't mean he wasn't in the kgb. These people always have cover jobs. Like he said it was all about subversion not James bond action. What better job to achieve that? He also points out that we let the media rule us without electing them.. he was part of that machine.
 

get2choppaaa

Hummingbird
Orthodox
The degree of "Soviet"-ness of this subversion still remains to be seen. YB blames about any US evil on the USSR, without hardly ever offering any other evidence than "Trust me, I was part of it, I should know".

If his depiction of US evils is so realistic, perhaps it's because it comes from a more homemade source and all that blame on foreign powers is a mere extra veneer of propaganda ?

His discourse also has this typical ambiguity of anti-Communist preachers : to fight Communism, the American regime needs more totalitarian and Communist-like powers. For example, Americans must be less critical of their political leaders lest they be accomplices in the "demoralization" process.


Have you seen his 2 hour lectures? Where he explains the use of the press and goes into several examples? Including but not limited to: Gulag re-education camps being presented to the US media in a disingenuous manner, hippie culture in India and the Beetles as an example, cites Yassar Arafat and various other Muslim connections with Communist funding, as well as several examples in South America.

I think his body of work to expose these things is rather compelling. And what is wrong with him saying "Americans need to recognize they are at war with Communism." Whether it is USSR or CCP how is this not obviously playing out today with CCP funding of Hollywood, NBA, Manufacturing and JIT Industrial Distribution?
 

MRAll134

Pelican
I used to fall into the Jay Dyer trap. His analysis of film and art/music is good. His political views are shit as far as I know. (I might be in the minority here as I know there's a lot of folks who like him on the forum) He was out there promoting Alexander Dugin...a communist who's allured a lot of alt right folks who are looking for the next intellectual Messiah of faux conservatism.

I agree politicians can become false Gods. But, I think Dyer is on-point when it comes to geo-politics. You should check out his series on Tragedy & Hope (by subscription). It will give you insight on what was going on behind the curtain, with the elites, leading up to WWII. Britain was encouraging the Big H to take Poland and Czechoslovakia.

My only criticism of Dyer is that he is hard on any Christians who are not Orthodox.
 

get2choppaaa

Hummingbird
Orthodox
There are no "Soviets" any more, so Bezmenov gor it wrong, it's very simple.
I think it is a little myopic to think his commentry only applies to the Russia Soviets. It's applicable to all Communist Countries and I don't see you how say he got it wrong when we are experiencing the stages of Crisis discussed in his lectures. Replace the USSR with the CCP and globalists in America and you have the same conflicting power structure: American Nationalists vs foreign Communism with subverted politicians pushing internal destruction of their own countries for NeoLiberal Globalism.

To say he is wrong because the Soviet Union collapsed is short sided and a very obtuse understanding of the whole concept of societal cultural revoluton.
 

get2choppaaa

Hummingbird
Orthodox
I agree politicians can become false Gods. But, I think Dyer is on-point when it comes to geo-politics. You should check out his series on Tragedy & Hope (by subscription). It will give you insight on what was going on behind the curtain, with the elites, leading up to WWII. Britain was encouraging the Big H to take Poland and Czechoslovakia.

My only criticism of Dyer is that he is hard on any Christians who are not Orthodox.
I listened to his Tragedy and Hope and his commentary on Quigley as well as the Rand corporation. Both were good.
 

Sitting Bull

Woodpecker
Trad Catholic
Gulag re-education camps being presented to the US media in a disingenuous manner

If so, they were not very effective to say the least. Can you name one single personality in Western politics or media today who would claim that the Gulags were not a hellish place ?

I think it is a little myopic to think his commentry only applies to the Russia Soviets.

It's not myopic, it's just a honest, fair, impartial reading of what he actually says and of the words he actually uses.
If you claim otherwise, show me one instance of a revolutionary activity that he does not ultimately blame on the Russians.


Replace the USSR with the CCP and globalists in America and you have the same conflicting power structure: American Nationalists vs foreign Communism with subverted politicians pushing internal destruction of their own countries for NeoLiberal Globalism.

Why is Communism or globalism "foreign" to America but not to Russia ? Would you claim that Russians suffered less under the so-called "Russian" revolution than Americans ?

YB is not a patriot with respect to his country of birth, to say the least. I am most suspicious when those kind of people lecture us about how to be a good nationalist.
 

get2choppaaa

Hummingbird
Orthodox
If so, they were not very effective to say the least. Can you name one single personality in Western politics or media today who would claim that the Gulags were not a hellish place ?



It's not myopic, it's just a honest, fair, impartial reading of what he actually says and of the words he actually uses.
If you claim otherwise, show me one instance of a revolutionary activity that he does not ultimately blame on the Russians.




Why is Communism or globalism "foreign" to America but not to Russia ? Would you claim that Russians suffered less under the so-called "Russian" revolution than Americans ?

YB is not a patriot with respect to his country of birth, to say the least. I am most suspicious when those kind of people lecture us about how to be a good nationalist.
1) there are cries from those on the politics left to re-educate non liberals and white men for their "Privilege"

It is a prevailing thought among the left who are engaged in revoluton. It does go on in China rampantly, and our liberal media takes a blind eye to it.

2 in his time the enemy was the USSR. It's morphed into a different country/entity but the tactics are the same. Not recognizing that is what I am saying is myopic and obtuses.

3 Where did I claim the Russians didn't suffer? Jewish Boleshivism destroyed that country and it has taken generations for the Church to recover there and the country. Every nation exposed to the humanist Communist mind rot suffers. The concepts espoused by communists in the USSR via Marx and Engles were first personified by the Anababtist Rebellion centuries before and Enegels even went so far as to praise the debauchery and first Communist community established by Thomas Muntzer and Jan Mathijjis. My mother's side is Ukranian and escaped the Holodomore, and fled to the US. So I am aware of the suffering of all parties who witness a Communist overthrow and I look at his statements and warnings as a caution to what's coming here.

It's easy to dismiss Bezmanov and say Soviets lost he's wrong, meanwhile the long match through the institutions is poisonings every facet of our society. We've witnessed this daily now.
 

911

Peacock
Catholic
Gold Member
1) there are cries from those on the politics left to re-educate non liberals and white men for their "Privilege"

It is a prevailing thought among the left who are engaged in revoluton. It does go on in China rampantly, and our liberal media takes a blind eye to it.

2 in his time the enemy was the USSR. It's morphed into a different country/entity but the tactics are the same. Not recognizing that is what I am saying is myopic and obtuses.

3 Where did I claim the Russians didn't suffer? Jewish Boleshivism destroyed that country and it has taken generations for the Church to recover there and the country. Every nation exposed to the humanist Communist mind rot suffers. The concepts espoused by communists in the USSR via Marx and Engles were first personified by the Anababtist Rebellion centuries before and Enegels even went so far as to praise the debauchery and first Communist community established by Thomas Muntzer and Jan Mathijjis. My mother's side is Ukranian and escaped the Holodomore, and fled to the US. So I am aware of the suffering of all parties who witness a Communist overthrow and I look at his statements and warnings as a caution to what's coming here.

It's easy to dismiss Bezmanov and say Soviets lost he's wrong, meanwhile the long match through the institutions is poisonings every facet of our society. We've witnessed this daily now.



The "Soviets" are losing badly in Russia, China and most of Eastern Europe, where these people have been inoculated against cultural marxism, they've been booted out from these places decades ago, and these people as a result have been thriving economically and socially ever since.

The "Soviets" home base is now in most western countries, in the wealthiest Blue cities, and the bankster rulers who are the head Soviets have forged an alliance with the minorities and baizuo whites in all of these countries.

Note that the Soviets have always been the bankster rulers. The head of the spy network that Berezmov was referring to through the height of the Cold War was Victor Rothschild, who was also the head of his clan and defacto hidden owner of the Bank of England.


This is the side of the story that Berezmov hid from his audience back in the 1980s, and this is why the current Berezmov videos boil down to a disinformation effort. They reveal in great detail the process of cultural subversion, but obfuscate from the right wing audience the real nature of those who are perpetrating this cultural marxism agenda; it's those darn "Soviets", or the "CCP"!

Jay Dyer is absolutely right about this, though he will not be as precise about the real nature of the beast he is describing. He has tried to steer clear from this in order to maintain his YT and social media revenue stream but like many right wing "moderates", he has still gotten the shaft.
 
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get2choppaaa

Hummingbird
Orthodox
I
The "Soviets" are losing badly in Russia, China and most of Eastern Europe, where these people have been inoculated against cultural marxism, they've been booted out from these places decades ago, and these people as a result have been thriving economically and socially ever since.

The "Soviets" home base is now in most western countries, in the wealthiest Blue cities, and the bankster rulers who are the head Soviets have forged an alliance with the minorities and baizuo whites in all of these countries.

Note that the Soviets have always been the bankster rulers. The head of the spy network that Berezmov was referring to through the height of the Cold War was Victor Rothschild, who was also the head of his clan and defacto hidden owner of the Bank of England.


This is the side of the story that Berezmov hid from his audience back in the 1980s, and this is why the current Berezmov videos boil down to a disinformation effort. They reveal in great detail the process of cultural subversion, but obfuscate from the right wing audience the real nature of those who are perpetrating this cultural marxism agenda; it's those darn "Soviets", or the "CCP"!

Jay Dyer is absolutely right about this, though he will not be as precise about the real nature of the beast he is describing. He has tried to steer clear from this in order to maintain his YT and social media revenue stream but like many right wing "moderates", he has still gotten the shaft.
I agree that the world banking system is behind the various communist/globalist orders. I would agree that Bezmanov does not get into the JQ or the BIS to the degree I would like, but his audience was nowhere near as informed as we are now on the nature of the NWO. He did a good job in pushing the overton window into accepting the notion of psychological subversion and social engineering. What we know now about the Trilateral Commission/CFR/Bildaberg/Atlantic Council/Rockafeller Foundations ect.... regarding globalism, was not in the common vernacular among most normies. He described things that would be corroborated with thorough research by historians and educators such as Anthony Sutton (who did a much more specific discussion of how US backed interests promoted communism and globalism). Sutton is very much more specific about the ties between wall street and communism (Trotsky/Marx were both funded by American ((())) banking money) regardless, though I believe these two people to be correct, trying to redpill society as to this information is just not going to happen as by and large they are not intellectually willing to accept that information.

I suppose we will disagree on the authenticity of Yuri Bezmanov. To say Bezmanov was a plant is like saying McCarthy was controlled opposition.
 
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M'bare

Woodpecker
Other Christian
Gold Member
There are no "Soviets" any more, so Bezmenov gor it wrong, it's very simple.

Just because there are no "Soviets" doesn't mean he was wrong. They still planted the seeds of ideological subversion. They only had to do that to 1 or 2 generations, and were successful. We're now 4 generations in. Once the first generation was subverted, all the really had to do was sit back and wait because it perpetuates itself.

Other countries and globalist around the world that wants to see the U.S. fall, only have to keep stoking the flames here ad there and wait for a manufactured or natural crisis to occur to really set things in motion.

I think Yuri sincerely wanted to warn America. I think he really did want to see us be one of few countries people could escape to for relative freedom and liberty. Unfortunately even back in the 80s when he gave those interviews, he probably realized it was a lost cause. But as we do, we try anyways because there's no glory and no honor in rolling over.
 

wayfaringstranger

Kingfisher
Protestant
Note that the Soviets have always been the bankster rulers.
The Bolsheviks were financed by Wall Street firms (Jacob Schiff I believe). They made a ton of money liquidating the Russian nobility's assets.
Communism has now morphed into Globalism - and its no accident Wall Street is pro-China and I believe that's what's behind companies acquiescing to China's demands (the NBA, etc) and the same companies pushing anti-nationalism on the US.

International money lenders have always feared populist nationalism, going back to the middle ages. It makes sense it's the only thing that stands in their way. Money lender economies flourish in corrupt, decadent societies which is where we are now.
 

get2choppaaa

Hummingbird
Orthodox
The Bolsheviks were financed by Wall Street firms (Jacob Schiff I believe). They made a ton of money liquidating the Russian nobility's assets.
Communism has now morphed into Globalism - and its no accident Wall Street is pro-China and I believe that's what's behind companies acquiescing to China's demands (the NBA, etc) and the same companies pushing anti-nationalism on the US.

International money lenders have always feared populist nationalism, going back to the middle ages. It makes sense it's the only thing that stands in their way. Money lender economies flourish in corrupt, decadent societies which is where we are now.
Anthony C Sutton explained that he believed that Wall Street funded Bolshevism for several reasons, but the two that were repeated and stuck out the most to me were that it their funding would be creating an economic power to compel US businesses to compete and invest in the MIL-IND complex and because communist states eventually always bankrupt themselves, and afterward the wholesale acquisitions of their assets is facilitated. (Think Jeffrey Sachs in Russia/Poland/Bolivia)

 
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