Yuri Bezmenov - real or fake?

NickK

 
Banned
Orthodox
Just because there are no "Soviets" doesn't mean he was wrong. They still planted the seeds of ideological subversion. They only had to do that to 1 or 2 generations, and were successful. We're now 4 generations in. Once the first generation was subverted, all the really had to do was sit back and wait because it perpetuates itself.
It wasn't the "Soviets" who were subverting the West.

Let me remind you of what was happening in the late stages of the Cold War.
The USSR was the one who was being subverted during the 80's. And what happened next?

They LOST without a single shot being fired, a puppet government was installed and the country was plundered. They lost badly.

Which presents the next question: Could these people have come up with a plan so elaborate to subvert the West, as Bezmenov presents? The answer is a clear NO. Unless the theory that the collapse of the USSR was a ruse is to be believed...
 

AnonymousBosch

 
Banned
Gold Member
The Protocols the FBI tweeted out recently are also fake.
It's just funny how so many things came to pass.

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Ever wonder why they're police 'lodges'?

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Remember, anything that acts in opposition to Christ is Antichrist. Police are not your friends, and aren't here to protect you from the Communist mob.

"The Golden Arrow: The Revelations of St Mary of St Peter' turned up yesterday. She was a Carmelite Nun in the 1840's whom was granted revelations of the world being chastised for its unbelief by Communists operating through the Secret Sects, both of which are controlled by whom you'd expect. God taught her how to fight back via prayer and devotion to the Holy Face.

I'll read it over the next couple of days and see if I can glean anything useful from it.
 

Easy_C

Peacock
No. I didn't wonder why they're called lodges. the enlisted side of the military and police organizations are almost always entirely controlled by masonic lodges. I've had friends who were approached to become masons, said no, and very quickly found themselves out of consideration for key leadership roles.
 

CynicalContrarian

Owl
Other Christian
Gold Member
Division up & down the line.
Division across the board.

East vs. West.
Capitalist vs. Communist.
American vs. Soviet.
Christian vs. Atheist.
Jew vs. Muslim.
Righteous vs. hedonist.
Men vs. women.
Black vs. white.
Rich vs. poor.
Straight vs. gay.
Government vs. the people.
Etc., etc.

The premier retard - satan. Likes it that way.
satan likes having humanity divided up & down the line & across the board...
 

MiroKlose

Sparrow
Most of you know who Yuri Bezmenov is, but for those who don't, he's that famous "ex-KGB officer" known from those grainy VHS clips where he discusses "how the Soviets are subverting the West".

The truth is, he was really a journalist working in India, who defected to Canada because the Soviet government wouldn't let him marry his Indian girlfriend, and the whole image was created by the CIA and CSIS.


What do you think of all this?
Just curious, Why would CIA do it? What is in it for them? (Asking this question because of my ignorance, not as criticism of your opinion)
 

M'bare

Woodpecker
Other Christian
Gold Member
It wasn't the "Soviets" who were subverting the West.

Let me remind you of what was happening in the late stages of the Cold War.
The USSR was the one who was being subverted during the 80's. And what happened next?

They LOST without a single shot being fired, a puppet government was installed and the country was plundered. They lost badly.

Which presents the next question: Could these people have come up with a plan so elaborate to subvert the West, as Bezmenov presents? The answer is a clear NO. Unless the theory that the collapse of the USSR was a ruse is to be believed...


Thanks for the clarification.

I have the understanding that it was mostly Jews who hated ethnic Russians and began the bolshevik revolution. That it was mostly Jewish/Jewish Russians/communist? Is that what you're alluding to and correct to say?


Final thoughts of Yuri:
At any rate, back to the point of Yuri B. To the OP and others, I'd say again Yuri is real and I believe he was sincerely a political dissident. As he said in his lectures, upon escaping he was briefed by the CIA. That doesn't mean he was a full blown CIA operative. It was probably also a time when the CIA wasn't chalked full of communist like it has been for the past few decades, e.g. John Brennan.

Maybe he left that life and his role behind because of an Indian girl. Perhaps it was that, plus feeling disillusioned by what he was doing. Is that so hard to believe? Is it so hard to believe (whoever Rob Kearney is), and a number of RVF members that Yuri was simply a pawn?

I say this because I myself became disillusioned by the Republican party, by our government in general, and foreign policy as I got older. I saw the way they treated constitutional principles, Ron Paul when he ran for president, how after being deployed to Afghanistan in 2009/2010 what a shit show everything was. There were very few reasons I could come up with, as to why I'm treating my guys for blown off limbs, or carrying them in body bags. I don't say this because I hate my country, but because I love my country and what the founders laid out; warts, blind spots and all.

Was Ron Paul controlled opposition? Was Smedley Butler after writing War is a Racket? How about Eisenhower for warning about the military industrial complex? Were they and many others just CIA pawns? I think it's funny people even think Stefan Molyneux is some kind of "gate keeper."

I think there is an aspect to elites using tactics like telling the public something they're going to do before doing it. I have no doubt there are for sure patsy's/framed people, brainwashed people and controlled opposition. However, I think there are also some people who start waking up to the reality of the situation, and the only thing they know to do is warn others and get the message out.

Think about the deep betrayal of politicians going back over 100 years selling us out to private banking. It's one of many, and our generation had nothing to do with it -- guaranteed we'll have to clean it up however. What do we do about that besides wait for all hell to break loose?

As for only Jews coming up with Ideological Subversion...I think that's a stretch. I have no doubt it was mostly Jewish Marxist who came up with it, but that's kind of a slap in the face to ethic Russians wouldn't you say? Are Russians not smart enough to come up with aspects of ideological subversion of an entire country?

At the end of the day, whether it was all Jews or some combo of people who came up with it, I think the point remains. That was their methodology, and I think the seeds they planted were picked up by other communist countries and the like over the years. Frankly, once they subverted the boomers, there wasn't much else they had to do after that.

The bottomline is, is what Yuri said (I'd recommend listening to more than a 5 min clip) true? I believe so. Given that, it's good to understand the enemies tactics to counter them. We as liberty and freedom minded folks need to start doing better at getting our message out, teaching young ones, community related things, build up our media, and entertainment etc. -- after the dust settles that is. Right now I think it's too far gone for most of this to happen. That said, there are still a number of fence sitters and those not paying attention. Keep trying and until the last and let's be something and someone to emulate, as good stewards of Christ.
 

kel

 
Banned
I think people are arguing a false dichotomy here. Someone sayig the KGB and Soviet government at large were duplicitous and their duplicity is with us still does not mean that we're expected to accept the the CIA is Johnny fucking America working in the interest of decent people. Jay Dyer's tweet seems to suggest that you have to "pick a team". You don't. The morass of globalism has swamp things from all over the place and uses a variety of techniques over a long period of time. Decrying communist propaganda and subversion doesn't mean accept and support neoliberal propaganda and subversion.
 

wannable alpha

Woodpecker
The four stages of communist subversion that he explains can be used by any ideological group including right wingers.

His talk of reporters and other ideological useful idiots being eliminated has not been proven anywhere in the world wherever there has been a communist revolution. And it doesn't make sense. Once a coup has been achieved leftists are likely to go after their ideological enemies across all power bases such as the media, academics etc. They would purge those institutions and place people like them in power and not kill them.

I think he was a Soviet dissident who later on was on CIA's payroll and said all this to discourage leftists in the west from being sympathetic or working for the Soviets.
 

CynicalContrarian

Owl
Other Christian
Gold Member
BP'd ?

Couple Yuri's testimony with the 1963 Congressional record, as highlighted by Skousen's 'The Naked Communist' :

Congressional Record--Appendix, pp. A34-A35
January 10, 1963

Current Communist Goals
EXTENSION OF REMARKS OF HON. A. S. HERLONG, JR. OF FLORIDA
IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
Thursday, January 10, 1963
...

17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers’ associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

18. Gain control of all student newspapers.

19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.

20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policymaking positions.

21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.

22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms."

23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."

24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.

26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."

27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a "religious crutch."

28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."
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