Zionist Conservatism vs Groypers thread

It's pretty lame that the most effective real life group for whites is the Proud Boys who are not really a white group. This is not the fault of white groups though, simply that all white groups have been arrested by the feds on Trump's watch. There were several good optic groups in the US before that, who were not alt-right larpers.
 

It_is_my_time

Hummingbird
How many times are you gonna flip flop on Nick?

You thought he was childish when he wrote off Owen Benjamin for talking shit about his family. Then you were praising Nick when he was leading the Groyper wars. Now you are saying he is only in this for himself. Just pick a side man.

Anyways, I think you guys are missing the point. He is saying that any sort of attempt to get political power from the dissident right will just hurt us. Protest in the streets peacefully? Police will break up the protest or Feds will stage a murder. Try to organize some sort of political conference? You will be mercilessly slandered as Nazis by the media and will be ostracized from the public. Blow up power lines like Kurt doolitle reccomends? Get arrested by feds and rot in jail for 30 years.

The best thing we can do is prepare to capitalize on a future opportunity. Think about the Groyper wars. Seeing the rhetoric from Charlie Kirk and the daily wire crew have been using during these riots shows that the overton window has shifted, and these traitors can't get away with the talking points they used to use. If you have hundreds of groypers in positions of influence 10 years from now, imagine the ways they can do serious damage when a chance to strike comes up.

As far as him disavowing people to the right of him, it's smart political strategy. Do you really think the average socially conservative person looks at Richard Spencer throwing a Roman salute and wants to be a part of that movement? You might be able to get a handful of wignats to support you but you are alienating yourself from MILLIONS of conservatives who see eye to eye on the majority of the issues, and need to be redpilled softly
You are correct about the Gropyers successfully changing the talking points of the GOP to be more American First. But we are out of time for the GOP to enact anything before the Democrats take over.

But by missing out on the Alt-Right/Third Position philosophical talking points in that the average conservative doesn't matter. Democracy brainwashes people into thinking you have to win a popularity contest to ever enact change. You don't. You need about 15% of the young men on board and then you already have the numbers. The Alt-Right already has this, it is about organizing and communication.

The average conservative is just a beta male trying to protect his family in the burbs and keep his job. He will soon realize he has two choices, Marxism that will seen his family be destroyed or the Alt-Right and the choice is pretty obvious.
 

Easy_C

Crow
Nobody individually has influence over things. A huge number of models and forecasts are now saying a civil conflict is going to happen so the important thing is to be prepared to survive that and not worrying about trolling libs and CPAC.

Kurt I think is a nut. However it is absolutely important that the right has an alternative solution to propose that people can rally around. Right now there is no cohesive idea beyond people fellating trump. Does the left have any workable solutions? No. they don't. Do they have a "solution" in the broader definition of a vision that they're working towards? Hell yes they do because they want socialism.

Let me put it this way. When you have one crowd loudly chanting and demanding socialism, and the other side is sitting there saying "Well, there is no solution!"......which one is going to win?
 

Cortés

Woodpecker
Gold Member
You are correct about the Gropyers successfully changing the talking points of the GOP to be more American First. But we are out of time for the GOP to enact anything before the Democrats take over.

But by missing out on the Alt-Right/Third Position philosophical talking points in that the average conservative doesn't matter. Democracy brainwashes people into thinking you have to win a popularity contest to ever enact change. You don't. You need about 15% of the young men on board and then you already have the numbers. The Alt-Right already has this, it is about organizing and communication.

The average conservative is just a beta male trying to protect his family in the burbs and keep his job. He will soon realize he has two choices, Marxism that will seen his family be destroyed or the Alt-Right and the choice is pretty obvious.
Exactly, the average conservative eats up content from Dinesh D'Souza talking about how Democrats are the real Nazis. They would never want to follow a movement that identifies as National Socialists. However, given the current state of things they might start leaning further towards the right. They would be much more likely to follow paleoconservatives who are against immigration and run on a platform of America First rather than alt right Nazi larpers. There is still a huge stigma associated with movements that far right, regardless how crazy things get on the ground.

Nobody individually has influence over things. A huge number of models and forecasts are now saying a civil conflict is going to happen so the important thing is to be prepared to survive that and not worrying about trolling libs and CPAC.
Do you think young conservative men are more drawn towards boomer alcoholics saying the 14 words and talking about survival as a race or towards the group that posted a funny video bullying super "serious" and important Jewish political actors at CPAC?
 

Cortés

Woodpecker
Gold Member
Events in Boise a few days ago don't match with the "handful of us, hundreds of them" narrative. they were outnumbered 3-1 supposedly
Maybe I didn't see the right videos from Boise but the one I saw was a handful of boomers chanting "all lives matter". But my point was rather about thousands of groypers concentrating into one region. The media would mark it as a Nazi secession movement and it would be promptly crushed by the full weight of the federal government to the cheers of liberals and spineless conservatives alike
 

It_is_my_time

Hummingbird
Exactly, the average conservative eats up content from Dinesh D'Souza talking about how Democrats are the real Nazis. They would never want to follow a movement that identifies as National Socialists. However, given the current state of things they might start leaning further towards the right. They would be much more likely to follow paleoconservatives who are against immigration and run on a platform of America First rather than alt right Nazi larpers. There is still a huge stigma associated with movements that far right, regardless how crazy things get on the ground.


Do you think young conservative men are more drawn towards boomer alcoholics saying the 14 words and talking about survival as a race or towards the group that posted a funny video bullying super "serious" and important Jewish political actors at CPAC?
True of boomers and older X conservatives. But they no longer really matter because they failed to pass on a civilized world to their children. It is like if you remove the alpha males from any mammal subclass. The young males will behave anyway they want. Our alphas, which would be boomer and older Gen X men, were removed and they have little to 0 power.

Younger conservatives are much more open to far right ideologies because this system offers them no future. I was at the very tail end of working hard and having a future, but I realize my children will not have that so that is why I am so interested in all of this. It doesn't impact me, but it will impact my future children greatly.

I see the streams and the replies on social media increasing for the far right. It is isn't nearly as taboo as it was even 3 years ago. That is why Youtube has gone full on censorship mode and even banned purple pills guys like Molyneux.

My advice to Nick and the Groypers is reach out the olive branch to the Alt-Right behind the scenes. Agree to not attack them in anyway and just focus on what you are doing, which is moving the conversation and helping to turn blue pill conservatives into purple pill conservatives who will likely find their way to the Alt-Right in a year or two. Become a stepping stone, use your social media following to help without being directly involved. There has to be a bridge between Rush and TPUSA and Richard Spencer and the Gropyers are perfect for that.
 

Easy_C

Crow
I'm seeing overt racism explode in popularity. Not as in people who are like "maybe there are some differences in how people from different ethnicities think" type things that leftists conflate with racism. Racism as in people who are fed up and seem to openly want a race war.
 
I don't know if it's the right strategy, but Fuentes will most likely never endorse the Third Position because he wants to be relatable to normies.
I think if things keep getting shittier for Whites, it's to be expected that they will become more open-minded to views previously "unoptical."
In which case it would be interesting to see whether Fuentes changes his message or not.
I think that playing the quiet, slow, long-term game is fine, hell isn't this the strategy that the Jews used to successfully infiltrate and take control of our institutions?
But when average Whitey is under attack, not just online but also physically in real life, maybe we need to look beyond "optics" and adapt to our environment in order to simply not become subjugated.
 

It_is_my_time

Hummingbird
I don't know if it's the right strategy, but Fuentes will most likely never endorse the Third Position because he wants to be relatable to normies.
I think if things keep getting shittier for Whites, it's to be expected that they will become more open-minded to views previously "unoptical."
In which case it would be interesting to see whether Fuentes changes his message or not.
I think that playing the quiet, slow, long-term game is fine, hell isn't this the strategy that the Jews used to successfully infiltrate and take control of our institutions?
But when average Whitey is under attack, not just online but also physically in real life, maybe we need to look beyond "optics" and adapt to our environment in order to simply not become subjugated.
The third position is the only answer, which is why Fuentes will never be successful if he continues to do what he has done. He took his lessons from the blue pill conservatives and tried to build his own road that would keep the brainwashed normies happy. The guys on the Alt-Right discuss this in great detail, what Fuentes tried to build has been attempted many times in history. Men far greater than Fuentes already tried to solve this problem and they eventually did solve it, in 3rd position politics.

If Fuentes doesn't want to endorse it openly, I can understand that. His audience is very purple pill and hopeful if they get the right candidates into office they can turn this thing around. But if he could just refrain from attacking the guys to the right of him, and if anyone asks simply say "check them out and let me know what you think", he would be a huge asset.

Otherwise, if he keeps attacking the third position he will lead his followers into the abyss.

The long term game would be nice, but we don't have time on our side. We are a few months from the Democrats running everything top to bottom. And I agree, it will be interesting to see how Fuentes plays this on out. Hopefully he does what I said above and accepts the fact the best he can do is be a bridge from TPUSA to the Alt-Right.
 

kel

Pelican
Agree with refraining from attacking in general (though the Spencer types also attack him and there's something particularly sad about that IMO - Becky attacking the younger, prettier girl getting attention and pretending it's some deep values issue when Spencer and his friends are often just shock-jocks but less good at it). Too many people, including in this thread, are looking for a messiah. It's not happening. You're not going to find someone perfect. I wish Fuentes, like others, would fully abandon the GOP too, but also he's been a very potent recruiter and has shifted the conversation - no, not shifted it all the way to full Hitlerism, but shifted it still - and I can celebrate that without tying myself to him completely and having to be personally accountable for everything Nick Fuentes says, does, and believes or claims to.
 

It_is_my_time

Hummingbird
Agree with refraining from attacking in general (though the Spencer types also attack him and there's something particularly sad about that IMO - Becky attacking the younger, prettier girl getting attention and pretending it's some deep values issue when Spencer and his friends are often just shock-jocks but less good at it). Too many people, including in this thread, are looking for a messiah. It's not happening. You're not going to find someone perfect. I wish Fuentes, like others, would fully abandon the GOP too, but also he's been a very potent recruiter and has shifted the conversation - no, not shifted it all the way to full Hitlerism, but shifted it still - and I can celebrate that without tying myself to him completely and having to personally accountable for everything Nick Fuentes says, does, and believes or claims to.
I've never heard anyone in the Alt-Right attack Fuentes, except to respond to them when he said their optics were the problem, and then he decided to afterwards hang out with Cat Boy and Milo.

The Alt-Right doesn't really take Fuentes all that serious. I think they feel sorry for him and wish he could swallow his ego and join their ranks and bring their followers with him so they could find the peace and tranquility that comes with true red pill thinking.

My worry is now that the Groypers attempts to infiltrate the GOP has failed that they just turn into black pill irony bros. They must either swallow the black pill and give up or swallow the red pill and realize the guys to the right of them had it right and optics don't matter when the other side is allowed to burn down blocks of a city and kill police with no push back from the government.
 

Cortés

Woodpecker
Gold Member
Here's Curt Doolittle, cucking to BLM saying that Blacks have bigger dicks


Gee, I really wish that Nick didn't disavow Curt Doolittle this guy is such an asset to our movement!!!
 

It_is_my_time

Hummingbird
Here's Curt Doolittle, cucking to BLM saying that Blacks have bigger dicks


Gee, I really wish that Nick didn't disavow Curt Doolittle this guy is such an asset to our movement!!!
I have never even heard of Curt Doolittle until someone from this forum mentioned him. I don't know who he is or what he is supposed to stand for or if he has any followers.
 

Easy_C

Crow
Letting curt on the stage was a disaster that’s probably fatal for their movement. I’ve met aspies in Toastmasters who are better speakers than him. Curt is very obviously socially retarded and should be allowed nowhere near a mic.
 
@It_is_my_time

I wouldn't be too harsh on Fuentes. We can lament his narcissism and overcautious approach.

But we could also blame normies, for their refusal to consider anything outside of the approved Capitalism-Communism dichotomy...
 

It_is_my_time

Hummingbird
@It_is_my_time

I wouldn't be too harsh on Fuentes. We can lament his narcissism and overcautious approach.

But we could also blame normies, for their refusal to consider anything outside of the approved Capitalism-Communism dichotomy...
I honestly don't blame Fuentes too much, he is just a young guy trying to figure things out. I just hope he can start to realize what we are up against and that there are men who are much older/wiser/more educated whom are already talking about it and he shunned them and he gravely needs to walk this shunning back. If not for himself, then for his followers who deserve to hear red pill truths.

Yes, the normies are brainwashed beyond reaching, without some big event. The race riots helped to kick that in for some of them. But I think things have to get a lot worse before most of them wake up.
 
I just remembered, Fuentes' main takeaway from recent events is that it's not about politics but about race.
His message is this: the BLM & Co people hate us, our differences are irreconcilable and it's going to be a racial war between them and us,
with one side subjugating the other.
Can you get any more red pilled? I take back my comments about him being "overcautious."
I think he's doing good, because he's telling us what we need to hear in order to prepare, without the alienating Third Position packaging.

It's like the joke about Maine. It's one of the safest state (THE safest?) and yet it's run by Democrats... So how come?
Could the 95% White population have something to do with it?
 
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Leonard D Neubache

Owl
Gold Member
How many times are you gonna flip flop on Nick?

You thought he was childish when he wrote off Owen Benjamin for talking shit about his family. Then you were praising Nick when he was leading the Groyper wars. Now you are saying he is only in this for himself. Just pick a side man.
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What is it with fanboyism? I don't understand it and I suppose I never will. It leads people to not only misread what you've written but also misremember what your stance was on "their boi".

I didn't say Nick was in it for himself. I said that he was blind to actual solutions because he couldn't see where he fit into them. As for feds embedding one of their agents in every three or four bedroom household some groypers happen to share, that's about as delusional as thinking that in ten years time there will be any dialogue whatsoever outside of debating how much reparations white people owe to blacks. Anything else will get you arrested for hatespeech.

You actually think that in a decade Nick is still going to be on the internet lolling about the awkward scenes his dudes managed to cause at the latest TPUSA event? Nope. In ten years Benny Shapiro could have Nick killed in broad daylight by Mossad agents on American soil and nobody in power would give a damn.
 
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